Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?
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Long day of driving yesterday. I used Superchargers for the trip because of the cost (.40/KWh) and convenience with trailer parking. About a 1000 km round trip and total charging costs were $95. I kept the speed around 100-105 Km/h. I made 6 charging stops and total time was 170 minutes.
Not a lot of range when you only charge to 80% (68 kWh) and a strong headwind heading back from Ingersoll killed it further. I had to stop in Tilbury at an Electrify Canada station to put in 14KW for the last 50km even though I charged to 80% in Ingersoll. That's only 160 Km between the two. I had cruise set to 105 as well. I suspect that drop ramp at the back of the trailer was a giant sail.
Total towing weight was around 700kg. Felt it but vehicle still had a lot of pull. Front motor temp never went above 58C and it helped keep the battery warm for fast charging as they share the same coolant system. I had cabin heat set to 22C and that also pulled power.
Recap:
1000Km
6 charge stops
140 minutes total charge time + 30 minutes setup/drive to.
$95 cost
15 hours total.
I arrived home with only 10% battery so I also had to charge back up.
I think if I had to do it again I would seriously consider just borrowing my mate's Pacifica. That was a long day.
Not a lot of range when you only charge to 80% (68 kWh) and a strong headwind heading back from Ingersoll killed it further. I had to stop in Tilbury at an Electrify Canada station to put in 14KW for the last 50km even though I charged to 80% in Ingersoll. That's only 160 Km between the two. I had cruise set to 105 as well. I suspect that drop ramp at the back of the trailer was a giant sail.
Total towing weight was around 700kg. Felt it but vehicle still had a lot of pull. Front motor temp never went above 58C and it helped keep the battery warm for fast charging as they share the same coolant system. I had cabin heat set to 22C and that also pulled power.
Recap:
1000Km
6 charge stops
140 minutes total charge time + 30 minutes setup/drive to.
$95 cost
15 hours total.
I arrived home with only 10% battery so I also had to charge back up.
I think if I had to do it again I would seriously consider just borrowing my mate's Pacifica. That was a long day.
AllistonGT
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Picking up our new CRV Touring Hybrid tomorrow. I'm not quite ready for full electric. Maybe in 3 or 4 years.
Is gas cheaper at the stations where the L/min. flow rate is higher?*
* in theory, it should be, but not for the reason you think.
Not quite my query, some stations are rated per hour usage, I've heard others are not.
Some DCFC operators like Flo will charge by the hour. IIRC it's like $30. Great if your vehicle is a charge fiend like an 800V KIA or Hyundai, Porsche etc. but would be more costly than a per kW/h basis with a slow charger like first-gen Bolt or Kona.
800V does well with the 350kW chargers like Electrify Canada but they don't charge fast on Tesla, not sure why. Maybe voltage-related. EC is one of the most expensive suppliers out there though. Like .70c a kW/h.
My Prologue is capped to 155kW charge rate and that's only like from 10-40% or so. Takes about 35 minutes 10-80% for me vs 17 minutes for 800V. Lot's of architecture and math to figure how each platform responds so it doesn't help with the customer confusion that's prevalent out there.
800V does well with the 350kW chargers like Electrify Canada but they don't charge fast on Tesla, not sure why. Maybe voltage-related. EC is one of the most expensive suppliers out there though. Like .70c a kW/h.
My Prologue is capped to 155kW charge rate and that's only like from 10-40% or so. Takes about 35 minutes 10-80% for me vs 17 minutes for 800V. Lot's of architecture and math to figure how each platform responds so it doesn't help with the customer confusion that's prevalent out there.
If my math is correct, I saw about 34 mpg equivalent as a round trip average.
I don't care about the emissions side of it (and I think most people are in the same boat). We care about $/km and use mpg (or L/100km) as a corollary for that. You did 1000km for $95 (plus a 90% charge at home to get back to full maybe another $10 or less?). You spent ~$10.50/100km on fuel. Gas was ~$1.60/L. That's equivalent ~6.6L/100km or about 43 imperial mpg (36 US mpg). Damned impressive for pulling a trailer, especially one with a vertical gate.
Your math sounds better. Home charging is essentially free after the rebates are included which is nice.
It's amazing how much energy is wasted in the form of heat in an ICE vehicle though. EV range is definitely still a tradeoff for the efficiency, at least with my size (85kW) battery. A 200kW battery in a Sierra EV would fare much better, or even 102kW in the Cadillac Lyric but at far greater vehicle cost.
If I had taken my Niro with only 52kW usable at 80% and a 60 minute charge time, although far more efficient than the Prologue it would have added anther 3 hours or so to the trip.
Capacity is definitely going to grow in the near future though as battery density improves every generation.
It's amazing how much energy is wasted in the form of heat in an ICE vehicle though. EV range is definitely still a tradeoff for the efficiency, at least with my size (85kW) battery. A 200kW battery in a Sierra EV would fare much better, or even 102kW in the Cadillac Lyric but at far greater vehicle cost.
If I had taken my Niro with only 52kW usable at 80% and a 60 minute charge time, although far more efficient than the Prologue it would have added anther 3 hours or so to the trip.
Capacity is definitely going to grow in the near future though as battery density improves every generation.
Went down to Toronto for the weekend. Of course the subway wasn’t working. Got around 6.1l/100 km, but the traffic flow was really quick going home. In the city we got around 4l/100km. Have to work on my eco mode and stay in the zone.
p.s. Driving is getting worse and more crowded there. Especially, people lingering in the passing lane. I learned that leaving two seconds makes the person in front feel that you don’t want to pass them, right up until you try to zoom by on the right.
p.s. Driving is getting worse and more crowded there. Especially, people lingering in the passing lane. I learned that leaving two seconds makes the person in front feel that you don’t want to pass them, right up until you try to zoom by on the right.
Relax
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It's about time. People were talking about using gas engines as generators in EV's for as long as I can recall, but this is the first time it's actually available in North America. Makes prefect sense to have an oboard electrical supply running off a readily available fuel, yet still have a completely electric drivetrain - all the benefits of a BEV, zero range anxiety and charging times. And starting at $42k, seems like a no-brainer.
Imo, Nissan screwed up. They advertise not being able to plug it in as a feature. That means it misses the biggest benefit of BEV. From a practical use perspective, most people won't see the difference between this and any other hybrid that can't plug in.It's about time. People were talking about using gas engines as generators in EV's for as long as I can recall, but this is the first time it's actually available in North America. Makes prefect sense to have an oboard electrical supply running off a readily available fuel, yet still have a completely electric drivetrain - all the benefits of a BEV, zero range anxiety and charging times. And starting at $42k, seems like a no-brainer.
A friend has had an i3 with RE engine in it for a long time. IIRC it has the 650cc motorcycle engine under the trunk floor to recharge the battery. She only uses the RE occasionally, most of the miles are from plugging in.
Dodge Ram RE is probably out in a year or so. That one should actually deal with daily use as a BEV and have big range when ICE is fired up.
Relax
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Rogue is completely different in its design and philosophy, though - which is to give drivers the EV driving/ownership experience, hybrid fuel economy, and ICE convenience:
- fill up at any gas station in afew minutes
- instant torque
- no transmission to maintain
- optional one pedal driving to reduce brake wear/maintenance
The tiny 1.7 kwh battery isn't meant to power the electric motors for long on its own - the 1.5L gas engine is/drives the generator that produces the electricity to keep the buffer full and run the wheels. 0-60 in 6.4 seconds seems pretty respectable for a heavy steel SUV compared to the ultralight cabon i3. This seems to be for those who like everything about BEV except the charging aspects - which I'm one.
Seems really dumb to me the battery will wear out from cycling so much and make more people afraid to get a ev just get a gas car. If you want to save money get a ev with a decent battery that will last longer than the car.
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I completely disagree about that vehicle giving you the EV ownership experience but different opinions are ok. It has all of the maintenance and operation costs of a conventional vehicle. Its reference vehicle is a normal hybrid that has been available for decades and most buyers/drivers won't be able to tell them apart. Volt is more than a decade old and ICE engine could run generator only if the car wanted or it could lock in at highway speeds to get better mileage than double conversion (motion>electricity>motion).
99% of owners do nothing to maintain a transmission while they own a vehicle. Other than a few stinker transmissions (like ford dual clutch), transmission failures/repairs are infrequent.
One pedal is nice. Biggest downside is it is terrible in tight quarters.
Relax
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This is the 3rd gen of this tech. The batteries are supposed to actually last the same if not longer than their full EV's because they're not used the same way. The generator provides the power and the battery is just there to take up the slack under certain conditions. So it's never deeply discharged and always slow charged back to a max of only 80%.
