800v architecture would cut that charge to 80% in half. would charging costs be the same?Long day of driving yesterday. I used Superchargers for the trip because of the cost (.40/KWh) and convenience with trailer parking. About a 1000 km round trip and total charging costs were $95. I kept the speed around 100-105 Km/h. I made 6 charging stops and total time was 170 minutes.
Not a lot of range when you only charge to 80% (68 kWh) and a strong headwind heading back from Ingersoll killed it further. I had to stop in Tilbury at an Electrify Canada station to put in 14KW for the last 50km even though I charged to 80% in Ingersoll. That's only 160 Km between the two. I had cruise set to 105 as well. I suspect that drop ramp at the back of the trailer was a giant sail.
Total towing weight was around 700kg. Felt it but vehicle still had a lot of pull. Front motor temp never went above 58C and it helped keep the battery warm for fast charging as they share the same coolant system. I had cabin heat set to 22C and that also pulled power.
Recap:
1000Km
6 charge stops
140 minutes total charge time + 30 minutes setup/drive to.
$95 cost
15 hours total.
I arrived home with only 10% battery so I also had to charge back up.
I think if I had to do it again I would seriously consider just borrowing my mate's Pacifica. That was a long day.
800v architecture would cut that charge to 80% in half. would charging costs be the same?
Not quite my query, some stations are rated per hour usage, I've heard others are not.Is gas cheaper at the stations where the L/min. flow rate is higher?*
* in theory, it should be, but not for the reason you think.
A typical 1000 Km trip for me would be a round trip to Ottawa in an ICE, not pulling a trailer. I'd save a couple of hours but spend and extra $50 - $60 on fuel. If you were paying a driver a wage it could be equal money. Still, for one's own use, pretty good run.Long day of driving yesterday. I used Superchargers for the trip because of the cost (.40/KWh) and convenience with trailer parking. About a 1000 km round trip and total charging costs were $95. I kept the speed around 100-105 Km/h. I made 6 charging stops and total time was 170 minutes.
Not a lot of range when you only charge to 80% (68 kWh) and a strong headwind heading back from Ingersoll killed it further. I had to stop in Tilbury at an Electrify Canada station to put in 14KW for the last 50km even though I charged to 80% in Ingersoll. That's only 160 Km between the two. I had cruise set to 105 as well. I suspect that drop ramp at the back of the trailer was a giant sail.
Total towing weight was around 700kg. Felt it but vehicle still had a lot of pull. Front motor temp never went above 58C and it helped keep the battery warm for fast charging as they share the same coolant system. I had cabin heat set to 22C and that also pulled power.
Recap:
1000Km
6 charge stops
140 minutes total charge time + 30 minutes setup/drive to.
$95 cost
15 hours total.
I arrived home with only 10% battery so I also had to charge back up.
I think if I had to do it again I would seriously consider just borrowing my mate's Pacifica. That was a long day.
If my math is correct, I saw about 34 mpg equivalent as a round trip average.A typical 1000 Km trip for me would be a round trip to Ottawa in an ICE, not pulling a trailer. I'd save a couple of hours but spend and extra $50 - $60 on fuel. If you were paying a driver a wage it could be equal money. Still, for one's own use, pretty good run.
I don't care about the emissions side of it (and I think most people are in the same boat). We care about $/km and use mpg (or L/100km) as a corollary for that. You did 1000km for $95 (plus a 90% charge at home to get back to full maybe another $10 or less?). You spent ~$10.50/100km on fuel. Gas was ~$1.60/L. That's equivalent ~6.6L/100km or about 43 imperial mpg (36 US mpg). Damned impressive for pulling a trailer, especially one with a vertical gate.If my math is correct, I saw about 34 mpg equivalent as a round trip average.
Imo, Nissan screwed up. They advertise not being able to plug it in as a feature. That means it misses the biggest benefit of BEV. From a practical use perspective, most people won't see the difference between this and any other hybrid that can't plug in.It's about time. People were talking about using gas engines as generators in EV's for as long as I can recall, but this is the first time it's actually available in North America. Makes prefect sense to have an oboard electrical supply running off a readily available fuel, yet still have a completely electric drivetrain - all the benefits of a BEV, zero range anxiety and charging times. And starting at $42k, seems like a no-brainer.
Imo, Nissan screwed up. They advertise not being able to plug it in as a feature. That means it misses the biggest benefit of BEV. From a practical use perspective, most people won't see the difference between this and any other hybrid that can't plug in.
A friend has had an i3 with RE engine in it for a long time. IIRC it has the 650cc motorcycle engine under the trunk floor to recharge the battery. She only uses the RE occasionally, most of the miles are from plugging in.
Dodge Ram RE is probably out in a year or so. That one should actually deal with daily use as a BEV and have big range when ICE is fired up.
Seems really dumb to me the battery will wear out from cycling so much and make more people afraid to get a ev just get a gas car. If you want to save money get a ev with a decent battery that will last longer than the car.Rogue is completely different in its design and philosophy, though - which is to give drivers the EV driving/ownership experience, hybrid fuel economy, and ICE convenience:
- fill up at any gas station in afew minutes
- instant torque
- no transmission to maintain
- optional one pedal driving to reduce brake wear/maintenance
The tiny 1.7 kwh battery isn't meant to power the electric motors for long on its own - the 1.5L gas engine is/drives the generator that produces the electricity to keep the buffer full and run the wheels. 0-60 in 6.4 seconds seems pretty respectable for a heavy steel SUV compared to the ultralight cabon i3. This seems to be for those who like everything about BEV except the charging aspects - which I'm one.
I completely disagree about that vehicle giving you the EV ownership experience but different opinions are ok. It has all of the maintenance and operation costs of a conventional vehicle. Its reference vehicle is a normal hybrid that has been available for decades and most buyers/drivers won't be able to tell them apart. Volt is more than a decade old and ICE engine could run generator only if the car wanted or it could lock in at highway speeds to get better mileage than double conversion (motion>electricity>motion).Rogue is completely different in its design and philosophy, though - which is to give drivers the EV driving/ownership experience, hybrid fuel economy, and ICE convenience:
- fill up at any gas station in afew minutes
- instant torque
- no transmission to maintain
- optional one pedal driving to reduce brake wear/maintenance
The tiny 1.7 kwh battery isn't meant to power the electric motors for long on its own - the 1.5L gas engine is/drives the generator that produces the electricity to keep the buffer full and run the wheels. 0-60 in 6.4 seconds seems pretty respectable for a heavy steel SUV compared to the ultralight cabon i3. This seems to be for those who like everything about BEV except the charging aspects - which I'm one.
Seems really dumb to me the battery will wear out from cycling so much and make more people afraid to get a ev just get a gas car. If you want to save money get a ev with a decent battery that will last longer than the car.