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vaccine poll
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how about last year?
Don't know how much they was testing for flu last yr when everything was based around covid. Plus with the way the new variant is attacking other countries I'm curious if they will be testing for the flu this yr, Given the reports to how easy it is to pass the new strain on to others
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The first link was based initial estimates of COVID were based on assumed start of the Wuhan pandemic and were calculated out. Which is what that really early comparison was based on, and published in February 2020. But was convenient as it includes multiple illnesses in the same chart.
The second link (the one I am re-sharing below) shows initial and the R0 rate on October 2020.
You can download their spreadsheet which the initial R0 rates averaged to 1.5322 across all these cities, and by October the average R0 was 0.838 due to government measures.
Great…what about the R rate of 2.5-3 that was seen in Brazil in Amazonas state? October 2020 was still seeing mainly the initial strain of COVID-19 not the variants from the UK or Brazil and even then max R rates outstripped those of seasonal flu. It is an incontrovertible proof that the incidence of seasonal flu is practically non existent this year and last compared to incidences of COVID-19 infection. That alone tells you what you really need to know.
This is a typical pre Covid flu season. Every single graph shows the spike during winter. This year, next to nothing (while we were in lockdown for a Covid spike).
Not really. Not since the start of COVID any cold and flu symptoms get labelled COVID, you get tested. And a negative COVID result means you just have a cold according to doctors.
Our healthcare system has done a good job ignoring any conditions that are not COVID, and turning people away from needed treatments. Even beyond colds and flus.
The data that the flu has disappeared is faulty due to the methods it's collected.
or conversely…more people are being tested and thus incidences of flu should be easier to note.
But they aren’t being registered….because they are down across the board.
When you get a COVID PCR test they are not running the FLUVID PCR test at the same time.
So, until I see our FLUVID test numbers for 2020, I won't hold my breath that people getting tested for COVID will know if they had another viral infection.
DId....no such thing....its like all intensive purposes or dancing the flamingo...you made it up. Or Maybe just Maybe you misheard CO morbidity and thought that sounds like core morbidity and typed that.
Virtually all hospitalized Covid patients have one thing in common: They're unvaccinated
"I haven't had anyone that's been fully vaccinated become critically ill," one doctor said.
www.nbcnews.com
Virtually all hospitalized Covid patients have one thing in common: They're unvaccinated
"I haven't had anyone that's been fully vaccinated become critically ill," one doctor said.
Most seriously ill COVID patients are not dying from the virus but due to it. As they get sepsis (which causes both ARDS and "cytokine storms"), which is when the body has a dysregulated immune response to a virus, which causes life-threatening dysfunction and inflammation in organs. Which this kind of viral sepsis is normally caused by being introduced a virus that is new to your immune system.
These two immune responses of the body attacking itself, account for about 98% of fatal cases of the virus.
The trinity of COVID-19: immunity, inflammation and intervention - Nature Reviews Immunology
In the short time since SARS-CoV-2 infections emerged in humans, much has been learned about the immunological processes that underlie the clinical manifestation of COVID-19. Here, the authors provide an overview of the pathophysiology of SARS-CoV-2 infection and discuss potential therapeutic...
www.nature.com
Getting COVID, or being vaccinated would eliminate your body's overreaction, as your immune system has "prior history" of how to deal with a novel virus. So of course new, never infected or vaccinated patients, would make up most of the serious cases at this point. This is something we've known since last spring.
oooh….I wonder what happens when you present with flulike symptoms and test negative for COVID-19?
Absolutely nothing in my experience. You have to understand Public Health never really tested everyone for influenza. Most data from Public Health Canada, the American CDC and other organizations all list "estimated" Influenza cases, because a small number of people are actually tested. The number that is derived at the end of flu season expects a significant number of people to go undetected through official testing.
You have to understand the scope difference between current testing and what we normal test for influenza.
On a single day, January 15th, 2021, Ontario completed 76,472 COVID PCR tests. Higher than all but the 2016-2017 flu season total tests for Influenza.
Ontario Respiratory Virus Tool | Public Health Ontario
This tool provides comprehensive epidemiological information of respiratory virus activity in Ontario, including COVID-19, influenza and other respiratory viruses. Explore case trends, laboratory testing, and outbreaks, as well as COVID-19 outcomes and vaccination.
www.publichealthontario.ca
September 1, 2018 to August 31, 2019 ( https://www.publichealthontario.ca/...rts/orpb/orpb-weeks-summary-2018-19.pdf?la=en )
- A total of 13,165 laboratory-confirmed influenza cases were reported for the 2018–19 season.
- Only 66,883 tests were performed
- A total of 18,253 laboratory-confirmed influenza cases were reported for the 2017–18 season
- Only 71,238 tests were performed
- A total of 12,518 laboratory-confirmed influenza cases were reported for the 2016-2017 season.
- Only 76,591 tests were performed
- A total of 12,137 laboratory-confirmed influenza cases were reported for the 2015-16 season.
- Only 71,128 tests were performed
Even if we assume 90% of the tests were just because of contact tracing. With only 539,153 confirmed positive COVID cases, that means about 1 million people had cold/flu symptoms and tested negative for COVID. So what did they have? Munchausen syndrome?
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FWIW I got the first Pfizer jab in April and they auto booked the second for late July. Then we were both able to get a earlier date at a different location, June 23. I just got an email advising me I was booked for a second Pfizer on June 19. I'll take the earlier shot.
Similar here - first shot in april, had been booked for August but we rescheduled for June 17th.
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