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vaccine poll

Vaccinated?

  • Yes...Pfizer or Moderna

    Votes: 68 56.7%
  • Yes...Astra Zeneca or J&J

    Votes: 22 18.3%
  • not yet but soon

    Votes: 11 9.2%
  • not booking it yet but I might get it eventually

    Votes: 9 7.5%
  • not going to get vaccinated

    Votes: 11 9.2%

  • Total voters
    120

pfbmgd

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Eventually, after everyone has had the opportunity to get both shots, that is what it is going to come to.

We are not there yet ... but it is in the foreseeable future.

There is a fair argument that the USA is already there (although largely due to hesitancy/denial).

With the Delta (formerly B.1.617.2) variant being supposedly ~6% of cases in the USA (about 25% here, about 60% in UK) ... and with that being +/- 50% more infectious ... it is going to be interesting to see what happens.

US vaccination numbers are still creeping up ... painfully slowly, but every bit helps. Maybe they'll have enough coverage in a couple of months when this strain becomes dominant for it to not matter. Could happen.

It's still going to be a disease predominantly of the unvaccinated.
Where do you get your numbers ?
 

ToSlow

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It's still going to be a disease predominantly of the unvaccinated.
How can you make that prediction? You don't know if someone who has already had covid can even catch it again even with the new so called strains.

You have no clue as to how many people on the planet already had covid as that was never tracked
 

ToSlow

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That's original. But that's usually the way it goes when one can't answer a question.
 

FullMotoJacket

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How can you make that prediction?
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Dimitri

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Keep lumping everything together. It still doesn't alter the fact that a significant number of kids did get very sick from Covid. Certainly more than "next to zero".

Based on regular pre-COVID (2019 mortality rates), 206 school age kids die a year (0.1 per 1,000 of a little over 2 million).

So school age kids, even with the current death rate of COVID, are two and a half times more likely to die of something other then COVID.

It's still going to be a disease predominantly of the unvaccinated.

Considering getting vaccinated isn't preventing people from catching it. And there are active outbreaks involving fully vaccinated people of the variants. Calgary's hospital has an outbreak of 33, 10 of which are fully vaccinated.

No, there is no us verses them with regards to real life. The CDC and now Public Health here, are relaxing rules for those vaccinated in a bid to try and get more people to get the shot. Which is creating this split, but it's entirely political and not real.

But with being able to still catch it, still get sick, and still transmit it to others if you are vaccinated. These easements are going to backfire.
 

Brian P

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Where do you get your numbers ?

I was wrong (outdated) about the UK prevalence:

The US prevalence is in there, too.

He includes sources for all. US numbers are coming from the CDC. UK numbers are coming from the NHS and the ONS.

Ontario prevalence was from Dr Lawrence Loh (Peel Region medical officer of health) last week, it is probably also outdated by now.
 

Brian P

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Considering getting vaccinated isn't preventing people from catching it. And there are active outbreaks involving fully vaccinated people of the variants. Calgary's hospital has an outbreak of 33, 10 of which are fully vaccinated.

Nothing, including any of the covid19 vaccines, is 100% effective. That means there are always going to be some cases of vaccinated people still becoming infected - particularly with the Delta variant among people with only one dose. Among hundreds of millions of people vaccinated so far ... the numbers are very small. As for Calgary, I can't find a source for your statement (citation, please) but I did find this (admittedly, from a couple of weeks ago):


But with being able to still catch it, still get sick, and still transmit it to others if you are vaccinated. These easements are going to backfire.

So you're advocating lockdown until the end of time?
 

Dimitri

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As for Calgary, I can't find a source for your statement (citation, please) but I did find this (admittedly, from a couple of weeks ago):


A COVID-19 outbreak at a Calgary hospital linked to the more-contagious Delta variant of the virus has grown to 33 people, including 10 who were fully vaccinated.
 

Brian P

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Definitely worth reading. My takeaway is that this Delta variant is extremely infectious (which we already knew), but vaccination still reduces the frequency and severity of disease. Article mentions that Delta variant is around 8% of cases in Alberta, up from 1% two weeks before.

We are in a race between getting second doses into arms, and the spread of this variant.
 

pfbmgd

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Definitely worth reading. My takeaway is that this Delta variant is extremely infectious (which we already knew), but vaccination still reduces the frequency and severity of disease. Article mentions that Delta variant is around 8% of cases in Alberta, up from 1% two weeks before.

We are in a race between getting second doses into arms, and the spread of this variant.
There is all the talk about " delta variant " . Yet I don't see it in the data on the official Ontario data .


Where are the actual numbers from governement sources ?

Line up take your shot . Government has you covered .


Main media is jumping on the safety of these vaccines .
 

Brian P

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There is all the talk about " delta variant " . Yet I don't see it in the data on the official Ontario data .

For some reason, Ontario isn't including it there. I don't know why. Ask them ... not me. (Or ask Lawrence Loh. He's the one who said about 25% of cases in Ontario were delta variant a few days ago ... and he's in the best position to know)

CP24 has a call-in show in the afternoon with Dr Villa (Toronto chief medical officer), I think it's each Thursday. Call in and ask her.

As for questioning vaccine safety ... the risks of getting covid19 are quite a bit higher, and you ain't getting any compensation for that. For the younger folks, perhaps that risk isn't high for yourself, but you could be bringing it to others who you interact with, and they ain't getting any compensation, either.

It's still a foreseeable scenario that the Delta variant or some yet-to-be-established even-worse variant sweeps through all the unvaccinated young people via school and parties and what-not, and they bring it home or to work and wipe out a bunch of older people, mostly the unvaccinated, but some immunocompromised and/or with whatever other conditions lead to breakthrough of their vaccination. The best countermeasure that we have, that doesn't involve crawling into a burrow forever ... is to get vaccinated ... even though we know it's not perfect.

We are not yet in a position where we can say that everyone who wants a vaccine, has one.
 

PrivatePilot

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How did you make the app? Was it at the hospital drugstore.

Tried online as it was supposedly possible, but it repeatedly didn't show any openings.

Called the Durham Region covid number instead and got an appointment that way. 20 minute hold, appointment 48 hours later.

I bet many deaths had other core morbidities .

Ah yes, the "not all those people who they claim died from covid actually died from covid" conspiracy theory.

If a fat guy or a smoker crashes his car and dies from the injuries, it's not the fact he was fat or smoked that killed him...it's the accident. Do you see the correlation to Covid?
 

PrivatePilot

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If you are under 60 and are healthy you have very little to worry about .

Do you know that dying from covid isn't really the only thing to worry about?

I can't share details of course, but I know of a patient in his 40's who had covid, spent over a month on a respirator, and sure, he survived, but to this day can't go up 5 stairs without being so winded he needs to stop and catch his breath.

People are suffering actual long term effects.

So yeah, stop it with the "But you didn't die!" nonsense. People recover from lots of things. That doesn't mean they're anything close to normal ever again, or that it doesn't take months or. years to get there.
 

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