Is It Time to Leave the Sport? Honestly… I’m Starting to Wonder.

Do we need a boat thread?

I understand the vague connection to the topic regarding passion for hobbies/sport but i think we're getting too technical.
 
I suppose it just depends on your point of reference? Are we comparing the current circumstances against what time period? Last year, 5 years? 10 years? Longer?


Being young and wanting to enter the sport in any era, how was the cost to get started compared to now? Would a 20 something walk down to the local dealer and get themselves a nice 600 SS to ride home and look up when the next track day is and get started?

From my armchair analysis, there is ALOT of things competing for our dollars present day. We have more lifestyle material things to choose from as well as just simple living expenses and choices.

When you look at where your dollars go and everything competing to grab your attention to spend it, it’s a wonder. Lots of stuff comes and goes.

Being young, out of university, finding a job, finding a place to live, finding a mode of transportation, affording gas station sushi and the latest game console. The bank of parents are supporting their own aging parents and trying to get their own kids to be independent.

Swipe right, started a relationship, move in together and save some housing costs but, the career ladder isn’t moving as projected. The dreams of a SS are far off. Find a 10 year old CBR600 and getting it insured turns out to be expensive. The car dealership warns you against using your leased Civic to tow a trailer will void your warranty. Renting a van from HD, they won’t insure you for being too young. I think you get the idea.

So it must be the greedy business sucking the money out of us.

How many times have we witnessed various tracks open, flounder, go into disrepair and go under?

Same for independent shops.

I would argue anything you do comes at a financial cost. Is it worth it? If the answer is no, find something that is.

Rent a Vespa in Portugal on holiday and head south. It might not be tracking a SS but, it might be fun and worth your time. And isn’t that winning enough? Go ahead and insert your own idea of cheap thrills for mega smiles.

As an aside, I used to GoKart at a young age. Parents supported me and took me places. Then the paddock started to get packed with large trucks and trailers with the latest and greatest and most speaking a foreign language. (Those darn Quebecers!). I didn’t fit in any more and it got too serious for this teenager. I don’t miss it for one bit.

Heck, I listen to my friends that are teachers and have kids in hockey cry and moan about the cost of hockey. I don’t think they do hand me down shin pads or skates from play it again and pretty sure they don’t skip the Starbucks on the way to practice. 🤷‍♂️
You make solid observations about how life today pulls young riders in a thousand directions, but that’s exactly why the industry is shrinking—not because people suddenly stopped liking motorcycles, but because the gap between “wanting to ride” and “being able to ride” has never been wider.

Older riders have dreams—and we can finally live them.
We worked hard, built careers, gained skills, and now have the means to buy the machines we used to drool over in magazines. There’s nothing wrong with that. In fact, good for us. We should enjoy the payoff.

But let’s not confuse our ability to chase our dreams with the health of the sport.
Our demographic is not growing the industry—we’re just propping it up for a few more years.

The industry is getting smaller. Full stop.
Dealers closing. Fewer new riders. Higher barriers to entry.

This isn’t nostalgia—it’s math.

Are modern bikes “better”?
Depends on your reference point.
  • Compared to last year? Maybe not.
  • Compared to five years ago? Debatable.
  • Compared to 10–20 years ago? Depends on whether your priority is riding or being managed by electronics.
Does a 2025 bike objectively outperform a 2005 bike? Sure, spec-sheet wise.

Is it more fun, more accessible, or more affordable? That’s a lot more subjective.

The cost-to-entry gap is the killer.

Take your example: would a 20-something walk into a dealer, buy a 600 supersport, and start hitting track days?

Decades ago: absolutely.
Today: not a hope in hell.

Here’s their reality:
  • Living costs are brutal.
  • Insurance is brutal.
  • A new 600 costs what a middle-class car used to cost.
  • Used bikes are cheaper, yes—but insuring one as a young rider is a blood sacrifice.
  • Even finding a place to live eats all their disposable income.
Add in a generation raised on screens, subscription services, gig work, and financial instability, and yeah—motorcycling becomes a dream, not a decision.

And we haven’t even touched the dealer ecosystem, parts pricing, service costs, and distributor profit margins that make the barrier even higher.

Shops don’t disappear because riding isn’t fun.​

They disappear because the ecosystem can’t sustain itself.
It’s not just “everything costs money.”
It’s that everything costs more, delivers less, and leans on an aging population to keep the lights on.

Your examples of other hobbies actually prove the point.

Karting got too serious.
Hockey got too expensive.
Same story: the activity didn’t die—access died.

Motorcycling is heading down the same path unless something changes.

The bottom line?

Older riders like us are living the dream. Great. Let's promote it.
But are we the last big wave.
The sport isn’t feeding the next generation—it’s pricing them out, drowning them in tech they don’t need, and offering fewer places to ride, service, or even buy a bike.

If we’re honest, that’s the piece everyone keeps glossing over: the industry isn’t adapting to modern realities—it’s just shifting the cost onto a shrinking group of aging riders.

And eventually, that well runs dry.
 
What Makes a Bike Great? And Why Do We Ride?

Do we live to ride, or ride to live?


Every rider has answered that question differently at some point.
Some of us ride because the bike is an escape.
Some because it’s a reset button.
Some because it’s the only time in life when the noise finally stops and everything just clicks into place.

But what actually makes a bike great?
It’s not just horsepower, or tech packages, or lap times.
It’s not the brand, the badge, or the spec sheet.

A bike is great when it becomes the extension of who you are—
when the machine disappears, and all that’s left is the ride.
That perfect moment where throttle, instinct, muscle memory, and road all agree on what happens next.

That’s why we ride.
Not for numbers.
Not for approval.
Not for the Instagram shot.
For that feeling.

As older riders, we sit in a unique place.

We’re not the kids sneaking out to ride a clapped-out Ninja 250 anymore.
We’re the ones who finally have:
  • The time
  • The cash
  • The credit score
  • The life experience
  • The confidence
  • And the clarity
…to chase the bikes we dreamed of decades ago.

We used to stare at posters.
Now we can actually buy the damn things.

We used to borrow tools.
Now we have garages full of them.

We used to daydream at school or at some crap job.
Now we can carve out a Saturday and disappear into the countryside with no guilt and no curfew.

Call it “living to ride.”
Call it “riding to live.”
Maybe it doesn’t even matter anymore.

Because at this stage in life, it’s not about proving anything—
it’s about enjoying everything we spent years working toward.

But here’s the real truth:

A bike is great when it makes you feel alive.
Simple as that.

For some, that’s a vintage air-cooled twin.
For others, a fire-breathing liter bike.
For others, a dirt bike carving through trees with the heart rate of a hummingbird.

Different styles.
Different machines.
Same reason:

We ride because it reminds us that life is still worth leaning into.

And maybe that’s the real answer to the old debate:

We don’t live to ride.
We don’t ride to live.
We ride because riding makes life better.

If nothing else, that’s what keeps us in the saddle—older, wiser, but still chasing that feeling we found the first time we twisted a throttle and thought: “Yeah… this is it.”
 
I hear once in a while a similar note from people I know in the shooting world..
"Is it time to just sell off the guns I can and get out of shooting sports..?"
It's an expression made out of frustration with all the new restrictions/laws that have come to burden us in the last 5-6 years...
Some of us are out thousands... 'some tens of thousands of dollars worth of gear... All due to misguided gov't policy.
I know but a "few" that have given up, but like bikes... Guns are more than just a hobby and most are just pivoting.
If all we're left with is shotguns and .22s, well then THAT's what I'll have and plenty of 'em. :)
Much of my friend circle is made up of "shootin' buddies"... People I've known and spent a significant amount of time with enjoying a sport and I'm not going to let "the government destroy that.

Maybe the OP just needs to pivot as well... I know when the time comes for me to park my 600lb,1300cc Sport Tourer I'll just be replacing it with something smaller. Sure, multi week Touring to the coast is great, but... an afternoon jaunt on the local back roads on a 400cc is pretty good too.
 
Thread title should be changed to, "Imma let AI tell you why I am rage-quitting motorcycles".

Personally, I don't need AI to articulate why *I* am not quitting motorcycles.

None of these folks do either:


Honestly, I'm not too sure about the purpose of this thread anymore.

Yes, motorcycling is expensive.
Yes, the demographics are shrinking.
Yes, beginner riders who have less disposable income face higher barriers to enter motorcycling.
No, this doesn't bother me so much that *I*, personally, am going to totally stop motorcycling.

Even though digital photography has nailed the coffin shut on film photography, there are still die-hards, hobbyists and purists who buy expensive developing supplies and have access to dark-rooms by other enthusiasts, or even created one in their homes themselves. They go to great lengths and expense to do something that was much cheaper and simpler in the past. If you truly love developing your own photos, do you rage-quit this, just because every one now takes pics on their smartphone?

Do what you love because you love it.

And if it really bugs you so much, nobody has locked the door that leads to the way out of motorcycling.

This isn't an airport. No need to announce your departure.
 
I ride because of me.
I don't ride because of me.

Lengthy AI post reduction.
 
I think much of the thread is a bit N American centric and to a degree even Canada-centric as the barriers in Canada are only exceeded by those in Australia where motorcycling is also fading.
I don't know about the situation in Europe.
Elsewhere in the world mcycles sell and are used by the millions and activity is intense.
So dying? - no
Maybe only in some places. :coffee:
 
Thread title should be changed to, "Imma let AI tell you why I am rage-quitting motorcycles".

Personally, I don't need AI to articulate why *I* am not quitting motorcycles.

None of these folks do either:


Honestly, I'm not too sure about the purpose of this thread anymore.

Yes, motorcycling is expensive.
Yes, the demographics are shrinking.
Yes, beginner riders who have less disposable income face higher barriers to enter motorcycling.
No, this doesn't bother me so much that *I*, personally, am going to totally stop motorcycling.

Even though digital photography has nailed the coffin shut on film photography, there are still die-hards, hobbyists and purists who buy expensive developing supplies and have access to dark-rooms by other enthusiasts, or even created one in their homes themselves. They go to great lengths and expense to do something that was much cheaper and simpler in the past. If you truly love developing your own photos, do you rage-quit this, just because every one now takes pics on their smartphone?

Do what you love because you love it.

And if it really bugs you so much, nobody has locked the door that leads to the way out of motorcycling.

This isn't an airport. No need to announce your departure.
Well said, and so VERY true.

As TK4 and Gaoler note, the path to enjoyment or fulfillment with any hobby is NOT charted through the door of a dealership or store. It's entirely possible to enjoy potentially expensive pastimes "on the cheap", or somewhere on the scale that works for you.
 
Do we need a boat thread?

I understand the vague connection to the topic regarding passion for hobbies/sport but i think we're getting too technical.
Close enough?

 
Buddy really chose to ignore that you can buy a highway capable vespa 250 for a couple grand and insure it for $50/year and instead tripled down on "MoToRcYcLiNg iS nOt AfFoRdAbLe" by copying and pasting from chatgpt, twice 😂

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As much as I hate rules, maybe it's time to add a no AI content rule? 🤔
 
I think much of the thread is a bit N American centric and to a degree even Canada-centric as the barriers in Canada are only exceeded by those in Australia where motorcycling is also fading.
I don't know about the situation in Europe.
Elsewhere in the world mcycles sell and are used by the millions and activity is intense.
So dying? - no
Maybe only in some places. :coffee:
When you realize that Honda, Bajaj and Royal Enfield each sell a million machines a year in India alone you get the idea of where North America fits into the grand scheme of things. We are a prestige market, but not the primary focus.
 
When you realize that Honda, Bajaj and Royal Enfield each sell a million machines a year in India alone you get the idea of where North America fits into the grand scheme of things. We are a prestige market, but not the primary focus.
And then when you extend that idea to include Europe, and the variety of manufacturers and models they get we in North America look less like a prestige market and more like an afterthought.
 
And then when you extend that idea to include Europe, and the variety of manufacturers and models they get we in North America look less like a prestige market and more like an afterthought.
It took 5 extra years for the Yamaha 700 Tenere to make it here, the XSR900GP will likely never surface but we got things like the Niken and the Honda DN-01 ?
Someone in marketing has a lot to answer for...
 
As much as I hate rules, maybe it's time to add a no AI content rule? 🤔

I'm all for that.

Forums are a place for human beings to discuss topics.

If I wanted an AI's take on things, I would ask ChatGPT myself. I come to GTAM to read what *people* think. Who cares if your spelling is atrocious or you have a poor grandma, at least it's your own take and your own words.

Heck, just take whatever prompt you are typing into AI and post it here:

"Create a compelling post about why motorcycling is too expensive and how everyone should quit riding because Gen Zers are too busy doom-scrolling and not buying motorcycles so local shops are having to raise their prices or are going out of business so therefore it makes 100% total sense to rage-quit riding. Write it in the style of William Shakespeare on 'shrooms."

Imagine if every one of us just copies AI output to here, why even bother logging into GTAM? Just go straight to ChatGPT.

There's a phenomenon called Dead Internet Theory which posits that the vast majority of the posts and replies on the Internet are generated by AI, in order to capture and hold attention and put more eyeballs on ads. Pictures and text are artificially generated, as are the majority of replies to fake engagement. The actual amount of human-created content is dwarfed by automated bot activity.


GTAM remains one of the last places online where many of us know each other IRL. We've ridden together, eaten together, and in our heads, we can put faces to handles and voices to words.

Let's not turn this place into an AI cut-and-paste-a-thon.

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Hey Lightcycle — someone had to start this, and it’s a good thing it was me. You knew this was going to happen sooner or later. What’s come out of this post is a reminder that this is a place for real people. This post has evoked some emotion in a few — good! At least it’s not the usual “what do I buy,” “which one is better,” or “where do I buy,” which, honestly, I’m not very interested in.

What makes a post interesting is when it sparks emotion and debate — and you’re clearly proving that. The rant is yours now. You can keep going down that path, and I’m sure a few will jump on your coattails, or we can talk about how shops are closing (at least here in the GTA — not sure what’s happening on your side of the country). Every day we have fewer options to walk into a store and interact with real people… or maybe it’s just better to buy online with zero interaction.

You missed the point of this thread. So I turned up the volume knowing the real rant would surface eventually. So yes — real people are better.
 
someone had to start this, and it’s a good thing it was me.

The discussion of shops closing and has been going on for quite a while. On GTAM, on Reddit, on Facebook.

You didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the world was turning.

You missed the point of this thread. So I turned up the volume knowing the real rant would surface eventually.

I didn't miss the point of the thread. I'm responding to the tenuous link between your content (shops going under) and your title, "Is it time to leave the sport?"

That's what's got everybody up in a roar.

I don't think anybody will argue against you that motorcycling has gotten expensive and is primarily undertaken by older riders with more money.
However, I don't think anybody on this thread feels so strongly about this that they are going to rage-quit motorcycles.

I feel like there's some missing connective tissue between A) your posts about shops going under and B) that you are rage-quitting motorcycles.

It's as if we are missing a key piece of information that somehow links statement A and B, and quite frankly, you are doing a very poor job in convincing us that these two statements flow logically. Instead it's just more hand-wringing about the industry, as if repeating the same content, whether human-generated or AI-generated, will somehow turn on lightbulbs in our head...

"OMG, now that you've said the same thing a fourth time... you've totally convinced me. Maybe *I WILL* rage-quit motorcycling too!"

But no, surprisingly, 100 posts later... that hasn't happened yet.
 
You missed it again, "this is a place about real people". My last point was about AI, you bet I used it, becuase I knew it would evoke emotion with some and it worked. What I started was how AI is here, its real and to some its emotional. So, yes I agree with you, "forms are a place for human beings to discuss topics".
Forums are a place for human beings to discuss topics.
Or should we go back and talk about boats.
 
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