The Bad Drivers of Ontario Thread

[mimico_polak]

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That's impaired operation causing death. Maximum is life. If there was any real justice, that would be three consecutive 20 year sentences. And I'm not usually one for that sort of sentence but when you legitimately keep someone from experiencing life from the beginning, you deserve it.

Me personally….death penalty.

For someone to drink and drive…it is a conscious decision to get behind the wheel and drink…or to drink when you drive to the party.

Death penalty. Life in prison with no parole. Any of the above.

The justice system is a joke. There needs to be a heavy reform of the system.

 

[nobbie48]

Me personally….death penalty.

For someone to drink and drive…it is a conscious decision to get behind the wheel and drink…or to drink when you drive to the party.

Death penalty. Life in prison with no parole. Any of the above.

The justice system is a joke. There needs to be a heavy reform of the system.

And where is Marco Muzzo today?

Next victim please step forward.

 

[Gaoler]

That's impaired operation causing death. Maximum is life. If there was any real justice, that would be three consecutive 20 year sentences. And I'm not usually one for that sort of sentence but when you legitimately keep someone from experiencing life from the beginning, you deserve it.

'Very tragic case... :-(
The net of sadness\trauma these events cast is wide.
It's not just the family involved, but everyone associated with the loss... Not only the family, friends, school mates of the kids for sure, but even the emergency response folks. Fire, Police, Paramedics and even the guys driving the tow trucks are all exposed to the tragedy.

The only thing that might mitigate my feelings towards the offender would be if it is determined he's retarded.
otherwise... Take Det. Cohle's advice

 

[High Flya]

And where is Marco Muzzo today?

Next victim please step forward.

That's the precedence. Although he's a rich kid with expensive representation.

There would never be real justice. I think medieval punishments would be appropriate.

 

[nobbie48]

Me personally….death penalty.

For someone to drink and drive…it is a conscious decision to get behind the wheel and drink…or to drink when you drive to the party.

Death penalty. Life in prison with no parole. Any of the above.

The justice system is a joke. There needs to be a heavy reform of the system.

We all make countless decisions every day, some bad but of little consequence.

Having a bit too much to drink isn’t of great consequence by itself but it compromises the ability to assess the next decision.

Decisions are made one at a time but must must key into the next ones. In this case the first mishap was the driver losing control of his judgement of how he plans his next move.

How do we stop that?

Executing a drunk drive killer keeps them from reoffending but has little to no effect on future drivers because they have passed the point of making good decisions.

In reality the death penalty could make things worse as the driver’s logic might cause them to do a nothing to lose runner and have a secondary crash.

How do we insert ourselves into that key point where the first bad call is made?

 

[GreyGhost]

How do we insert ourselves into that key point where the first bad call is made?

Be careful what you wish for. Easy for government to mandate in-vehicle breath testers for every vehicle. Drives up costs, complicates repairs and generates additional repairs. May save a few crashes at a cost of billions. Dirtbags will find a way to bypass system. Non-dui drivers will pay the vast majority of the costs.

 

[nobbie48]

If a speeding vehicular hits a stationary vehicle of the same size there’s something about the physics that says the stationary vehicle gets the worst of it.

A news clip showed the dui driver standing and being put in a squad car apparently in injured. The drunk walks away.

Comments??

 

[nobbie48]

Be careful what you wish for. Easy for government to mandate in-vehicle breath testers for every vehicle. Drives up costs, complicates repairs and generates additional repairs. May save a few crashes at a cost of billions. Dirtbags will find a way to bypass system. Non-dui drivers will pay the vast majority of the costs.

True. A chick a few years ago basically got a friend to blow into the DUI limiter. Then she drove off and killed someone.

For starters we need to know more details about this crash. Where was the guy coming from or going to? Was he at a party or a bar or home? Was there someone there that should have put a stop to him driving? Why didn't they?

The OPP says DUI Charges were 11,142 for 2023. Toronto has its own tally of 283 for 2022. The OPP numbers seem high but even if reduced, the numbers are crazy high.

With thousands of cases is there a Spanish inquisition into every step of the ticketing procedure to try to find the commonality?

 

[Rob MacLennan]

True. A chick a few years ago basically got a friend to blow into the DUI limiter. Then she drove off and killed someone.

For starters we need to know more details about this crash. Where was the guy coming from or going to? Was he at a party or a bar or home? Was there someone there that should have put a stop to him driving? Why didn't they?

The OPP says DUI Charges were 11,142 for 2023. Toronto has its own tally of 283 for 2022. The OPP numbers seem high but even if reduced, the numbers are crazy high.

With thousands of cases is there a Spanish inquisition into every step of the ticketing procedure to try to find the commonality?

Blowing for someone else is considered "tampering with an interlock device" and has a charge all its own.

Remember that driving with weed onboard is also impaired driving. Given that I smell weed smoke coming from other vehicles literally every time I have to drive in to work on-site, I'm surprised the numbers aren't higher.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Not Ontario, but I think the message needs to get through. DO NOT pick a fight with a cager. You will lose.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

For starters we need to know more details about this crash. Where was the guy coming from or going to? Was he at a party or a bar or home? Was there someone there that should have put a stop to him driving? Why didn't they?

You don't find the part about the guy who got the DUI (Rammer) and the occupants of the other vehicle (Ramees) were "familiar with (knew) each other" odd? There's something off about the whole thing.

 

[nobbie48]

You don't find the part about the guy who got the DUI (Rammer) and the occupants of the other vehicle (Ramees) were "familiar with (knew) each other" odd? There's something off about the whole thing.

Seriously? Details please.

 

[backmarkerducati]

There are many variables but impaired drivers tend have a higher survivability rate because they are totally relaxed at the time of impact.

 

[nobbie48]

Another five gone to soon.

'Lost without them': Students return to school after crash killed teen girls, coach

WALKERTON - The school looked about the same, except for a huge pile of flowers outside the entrance. But a palpable sadness hung thick in the air.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

I haven't seen any details as to the cause, but social media is full of hate for a certain nationality, valid or not in this case.

Five happy people in a SUV laughing and joking could miss a stop sign. So could a rushed semi driver, calling in for his next pickup.

Some circumstantial points.

Brampton has a higher insurance rate for a reason.

The trucking industry is weighted to a certain nationality. It's only reasonable that they have more presence in crashes. There are more Chevies on the road than MBs and therefore Chevies have more crashes.

There are loopholes in training and testing that were inconsequential in ethical times but need updating. This includes all levels of driving, not just commercial.

When they deregulated the trucking industry, was anyone yelling about lower rates affecting training and maintenance?

 

[GreyGhost]

Another five gone to soon.

'Lost without them': Students return to school after crash killed teen girls, coach

WALKERTON - The school looked about the same, except for a huge pile of flowers outside the entrance. But a palpable sadness hung thick in the air.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

I haven't seen any details as to the cause, but social media is full of hate for a certain nationality, valid or not in this case.

Five happy people in a SUV laughing and joking could miss a stop sign. So could a rushed semi driver, calling in for his next pickup.

Some circumstantial points.

Brampton has a higher insurance rate for a reason.

The trucking industry is weighted to a certain nationality. It's only reasonable that they have more presence in crashes. There are more Chevies on the road than MBs and therefore Chevies have more crashes.

There are loopholes in training and testing that were inconsequential in ethical times but need updating. This includes all levels of driving, not just commercial.

When they deregulated the trucking industry, was anyone yelling about lower rates affecting training and maintenance?

Highly likely either the teacher or the truck ran a stop sign. I havent seen any mention of which nor any pictures that can answer that question.

 

[nobbie48]

Highly likely either the teacher or the truck ran a stop sign. I havent seen any mention of which nor any pictures that can answer that question.

There is an awkward situation depending on the guilty party.

If it was the trucker it's easy to go racist on the turbans, assuming the driver wasn't Caucasian. Based on an us vs them mentality and an existing bias against foreigners the hate comes easy.

If however it was the SUV that ran a stop, the family and friends of the victims have to accept it was caused by one of their own, someone they loved. With no survivors or cockpit voice recorders we will never know if that was the case. It can be very hard to stay out of the party mood when in good company, but your job is to drive the vehicle.

 

[nobbie48]

This could hurt.

MSN

I Google mapped a route from Dorchester to Walkerton and it took the SUV north on Cobble Hills Road where it crosses the busier Thorndale Road. Cobble Hills Road has a stop sign and Thorndale Road doesn't. If my logic is correct the OPP may be showing kindness to the families of the victims in allowing them to adjust to the causes before releasing the report. Obviously there could be other factors including the route of the truck.

Speed limits appear to be the normal 80 KPH.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

There is an awkward situation depending on the guilty party.

If it was the trucker it's easy to go racist on the turbans, assuming the driver wasn't Caucasian. Based on an us vs them mentality and an existing bias against foreigners the hate comes easy.

If however it was the SUV that ran a stop, the family and friends of the victims have to accept it was caused by one of their own, someone they loved. With no survivors or cockpit voice recorders we will never know if that was the case. It can be very hard to stay out of the party mood when in good company, but your job is to drive the vehicle.

A lot of trucks have cameras these days. You never know; video could surface.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I debated with myself whether I should put this in "I saw you or here" and I really think it belongs more here.

Generic sportbike rider on The Gardiner, a little after noon today. Looked like jeans and a sweatshirt for the brief moment I saw him. Bent plate. No mudguard. Lane splitting 50-60 Kmh traffic at 100Kmh+. My first thought was a quote by Daniel Benzali, from "Murder at 1600"; "You were born to be a chalk outline."

That was before the Humber hump. At the merge from Park Lawn he was picking up his bike and pushing it around to the far right curb.

 

[nobbie48]

I debated with myself whether I should put this in "I saw you or here" and I really think it belongs more here.

Generic sportbike rider on The Gardiner, a little after noon today. Looked like jeans and a sweatshirt for the brief moment I saw him. Bent plate. No mudguard. Lane splitting 50-60 Kmh traffic at 100Kmh+. My first thought was a quote by Daniel Benzali, from "Murder at 1600"; "You were born to be a chalk outline."

That was before the Humber hump. At the merge from Park Lawn he was picking up his bike and pushing it around to the far right curb.

There's a bad riders thread. Idiots don't care how many wheels it has.

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