Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.4%

  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.2%

  • I like turtles

    Votes: 57 50.4%
  • Total voters
    113
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Mad Mike said:
They are law enforcement officers, like US Marshalls and FBI agents. They can arrest people for federal crimes, obstruction, immigration violations, and any crime they witness. If it’s a state crime, they turn the offender over to state or local police.

They have challenges in sanctuary cities like Minneapolis, Seattle and Los Angeles because local law enforcement refuse cooperation. This makes it harder, slower, costlier, and more confrontational. When ICE doesn’t get support from local police they have to surge in a lot of resources to do the local police stuff - transport, holding, locating and identifying targets, as well as protecting their own officers.
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What they don't have, is the mandate to randomly stop people and demand "Papers!", like it's WWII Germany. This is what they are currently doing. In fact off duty Minneapolis police officers are reporting being stopped and told to identify by ICE/CBP officers. In every case it's race based. I expect there will soon be a Constitutional challenge, to their actions, based on this profiling.

They can't make claims for many of the crimes you listed they can enforce, when enforcement is predicated on illegal acts.
 
GreyGhost said:
But nobody in the system wants that path. They will spend infinite money rather than fire a dirtbag and admit that they should have have been given authority and a weapon.
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In the British system an up and comer is expected to make ALL of their mistakes on the way up. Once in a responsible position mistakes are deadly sins. Therefore mistakes are redirected, flushed or buried by management.

1) Who hired Chris Prout?

Someone in HR

2) Who hired the person in HR?

Start looking at question 2 and go up the ladder.
 
Dirty Frank said:
Look up who was that scums attorney, if you ever get caught dead bang guilty that would be who you will want representing you for sure....
Just keep thinking I love my country,I love my country.
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Can a lawyer refuse a case base on the disgusting nature of the crime, Paul Bernardo for example or in this case, Jermaine Neverson? Or do they just price themselves out of the mess?

As difficult as it may appear even the most evil need a fair trial. It refines the system and hopefully closes loopholes. Unfortunately that does little for the victims.
 
nobbie48 said:
Can a lawyer refuse a case base on the disgusting nature of the crime, Paul Bernardo for example or in this case, Jermaine Neverson? Or do they just price themselves out of the mess?

As difficult as it may appear even the most evil need a fair trial. It refines the system and hopefully closes loopholes. Unfortunately that does little for the victims.
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As private individuals they have no obligation to take any specific case.

With that said, I have nothing but respect for lawyers who take the unpopular cases. I might rage at the time, however, the fact that they are doing that job keeps police and The Crown honest, by holding them to the standards they must use in order that justice be properly served.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
As private individuals they have no obligation to take any specific case.

With that said, I have nothing but respect for lawyers who take the unpopular cases. I might rage at the time, however, the fact that they are doing that job keeps police and The Crown honest, by holding them to the standards they must use in order that justice be properly served.
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Exactly. Defense lawyers are far less about defending the person and far more about ensuring that the crown follows the law and proves their case beyond a reasonable doubt without cheating.

Alan Jackson in the US is awesome. Some cases he makes huge money on, some cases he does for free because he believes his expertise on the file will ensure justice is served. He was representing Reiner for killing his parents for a short time but withdrew and tossed him to a public defender. It would be interesting to know the reason but he can obviously never say exactly why. He did make a comment about mental health in his withdrawal speech. Others thought it may be career suicide as many of his cases are celebs and representing a celeb killer may get him kicked off the short list.
 
Gaoler said:
'Talked with many lawyers who openly admit they think their client is a piece of shi*.

It's a job. I think they compartmentalize their work from the rest of life.
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Sometimes you would think that criminal defence attorneys are willing to give up certain clients as sacrificial lambs in order to get better judgments for other clients down the line.
That community is quite a interesting knitting circle that one would do good to avoid if at all possible.
 
We just drove by a sizable police raid in progress 100m down the street - dozen police or more 8 vehicles All cops running, one jumping a fence - we kept going to our drive of course but was rather startling.
Edge Hill where we live is a high end suburb and the house was a corner unit nothing untoward🍿
 
YRP arrested seven TPS. Four suspended without pay. Must be a steaming turd. Now to see if yrp can actually prosecute anyone or if their own corruption wastes more millions.

toronto.citynews.ca

7 Toronto police officers arrested in connection to YRP investigation: source

A York Regional Police statement didn't contain many details, but noted the service's chief and Toronto Police Chief Myron Demkiw will speak.
toronto.citynews.ca toronto.citynews.ca
 
GreyGhost said:
YRP arrested seven TPS. Four suspended without pay. Must be a steaming turd. Now to see if yrp can actually prosecute anyone or if their own corruption wastes more millions.

toronto.citynews.ca

7 Toronto police officers arrested in connection to YRP investigation: source

A York Regional Police statement didn't contain many details, but noted the service's chief and Toronto Police Chief Myron Demkiw will speak.
toronto.citynews.ca toronto.citynews.ca
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A cop suspended without pay for criminality?
Be still my beating heart.
Must have been caught stepping into some serious do do.
 
GreyGhost said:
YRP arrested seven TPS. Four suspended without pay. Must be a steaming turd. Now to see if yrp will actually prosecute anyone
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FTFY

I've got a crisp Twenty here that says when the defence get's discovery there's a T that didn't get dotted or an I that didn't get crossed in the formal charge document(s).
 
GreyGhost said:
Apparently related to tow trucks again and included a plot to kill a commander.
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WTF is a commander..?

I heard this 3 or 4 times on the cbc
They referrered to a plot to murder a "unit commander" at the Toronto South Detention Centre"

"Unit commander" or "commander", isn't a thing.
 
Gaoler said:
WTF is a commander..?

I heard this 3 or 4 times on the cbc
They referrered to a plot to murder a "unit commander" at the Toronto South Detention Centre"

"Unit commander" or "commander", isn't a thing.
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Since when have police, media or politicians ever cared about truth or reality? Say something that sounds scary and run with it.
 
Toronto Police involved on behalf of YRP . It maybe has a chance. 7 guys , one from the Guns and Gangs squad. The organized crime , corruption , interfearance with an open investigation , collution and gun charges can all be explained away as "deep undercover" . The couple of hits on competitors ( it might be ok to call it murder) could be a bit harder to dodge if proven they were involved or had knowledge of that .
 
Rob MacLennan said:
What they don't have, is the mandate to randomly stop people and demand "Papers!", like it's WWII Germany. This is what they are currently doing.
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It's not illegal to ask. I frequently find this situation gets reported with bias both ways.
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