Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

[GreyGhost]

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A lot of the comments are supportive to the cop. It can be a S*** job.

If the DUI is due to job stress alcoholism, the superiors need to address the problem in a long term constructive manner. Unfortunately a lot of the senior staff are hard a** types preaching "If I could handle it so can you."

Of course the superiors never want to admit that issues rise on their watches.

If the LEO was just tipsy coming back from a birthday party it's a different matter.

Charges such as theft, assault and accepting bribes are not negotiable.

This particular cop (Chris prout) was previously accused of targeting black people for stops and more. He has a history over many years of being the worst kind of cop. Protected every step of the way. He will continue to act with impunity until someone dies and they can no longer justify his behaviour.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/1qgjef2/onduty_opp_officer_charged_with_impaired_driving

 

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[nobbie48]

This particular cop (Chris prout) was previously accused of targeting black people for stops and more. He has a history over many years of being the worst kind of cop. Protected every step of the way. He will continue to act with impunity until someone dies and they can no longer justify his behaviour.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/1qgjef2/onduty_opp_officer_charged_with_impaired_driving

It sounds like he belongs in group three, a different career.

 

[GreyGhost]

It sounds like he belongs in group three, a different career.

But nobody in the system wants that path. They will spend infinite money rather than fire a dirtbag and admit that they should have have been given authority and a weapon.

 

[nobbie48]

But nobody in the system wants that path. They will spend infinite money rather than fire a dirtbag and admit that they should have have been given authority and a weapon.

It'll get fixed when the union, not the taxpayer, has to pay the suspension wages for a decade.

 

[Dirty Frank]

A couple of guys from the group that were in law enforcement took what they refereed to as a lateral advancement to the fire department.
One was being fast tracked for management and was the youngest Sargent in the agencies history at the time.

 

[Mad Mike]

ICE agents aren't police and the scope of their duties is rather narrow. Before this godawful regime they would generally work WITH police, when performing actions away from the borders. Now they're being used like a private army.

They are law enforcement officers, like US Marshalls and FBI agents. They can arrest people for federal crimes, obstruction, immigration violations, and any crime they witness. If it’s a state crime, they turn the offender over to state or local police.

They have challenges in sanctuary cities like Minneapolis, Seattle and Los Angeles because local law enforcement refuse cooperation. This makes it harder, slower, costlier, and more confrontational. When ICE doesn’t get support from local police they have to surge in a lot of resources to do the local police stuff - transport, holding, locating and identifying targets, as well as protecting their own officers.

 

[Evoex]

They are law enforcement officers, like US Marshalls and FBI agents. They can arrest people for federal crimes, obstruction, immigration violations, and any crime they witness. If it’s a state crime, they turn the offender over to state or local police.

They have challenges in sanctuary cities like Minneapolis, Seattle and Los Angeles because local law enforcement refuse cooperation. This makes it harder, slower, costlier, and more confrontational. When ICE doesn’t get support from local police they have to surge in a lot of resources to do the local police stuff - transport, holding, locating and identifying targets, as well as protecting their own officers.

I don't believe this to be accurate. Can you source this? Everything I've read so far has them pegged as quite limited in criminal law enforcement capabilities.

 

[Mad Mike]

I don't believe this to be accurate. Can you source this? Everything I've read so far has them pegged as quite limited in criminal law enforcement capabilities.

ICE agents are federal law enforcement officers with broad arrest authority under federal law (e.g., 8 U.S.C. § 1357 and 18 U.S.C. § 3056 for certain crimes). They can make arrests for:

• Immigration violations
• Crimes committed in their presence while carrying out their official duties. Obstruction of justice, resisting arrest, assault on a federal officer, interfering with federal officers
• any federal crimes they discover in the scope of their normal work. Common are contraband smuggling, human trafficking, drug trafficking, document fraud.

18 U.S.C. § 111 – Assaulting, resisting, opposing, impeding, intimidating, or interfering with federal officers while they are engaged in official duties.

18 U.S.C. § 1505 – Obstructing proceedings before federal agencies.

State-level crimes – ICE will make citizen’s arrests then coordinate with local police to charge under state law. Not in sanctuary cities.

 

[Evoex]

ICE agents are federal law enforcement officers with broad arrest authority under federal law (e.g., 8 U.S.C. § 1357 and 18 U.S.C. § 3056 for certain crimes). They can make arrests for:

• Immigration violations
• Crimes committed in their presence while carrying out their official duties. Obstruction of justice, resisting arrest, assault on a federal officer, interfering with federal officers
• any federal crimes they discover in the scope of their normal work. Common are contraband smuggling, human trafficking, drug trafficking, document fraud.

18 U.S.C. § 111 – Assaulting, resisting, opposing, impeding, intimidating, or interfering with federal officers while they are engaged in official duties.

18 U.S.C. § 1505 – Obstructing proceedings before federal agencies.

State-level crimes – ICE will make citizen’s arrests then coordinate with local police to charge under state law. Not in sanctuary cities.

I asked for the source! But fair enough, being federal law enforcement it would seem likely that they would fall into the same lane as other federal agents.

Can't see them being bothered to make citizens arrests for state infractions.

 

[Mad Mike]

Can't see them being bothered to make citizens arrests for state infractions.

Not typically, but they might. Federal officers, while on duty, have general arrest authority for criminal acts they observe, similar to how a federal agent of any kind can act like a local police officer when witnessing a crime in progress.

Same in most of Canada. Conservation officers occasionally lay traffic act charges, open liquor offenses, firearms offenses, impaired driving etc. they are not police, but can do those things.

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