My point. It's always easy to spend other people's money.
Canada Post - Huge losses
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The rallying cry is a common one. "This is a service not a business and services cost money and should not have to break even". Sounds slightly reasonable on the surface but holy crap is that ever a ridiculous concept when applied in black and white. If the service is grossly oversized/overly expensive for what we require, you need to fix that not just throw infinite money at it and let the budget balance itself.
If CUPW really thinks CP is a valuable service, they should encourage CP to let the prices rise to roughly cover the costs. Within a year, it will be all over.
Mad Mike
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The solutions isn’t raising prices, that’s a death march. CPC needs to match efficiencies with their competition as they did prior to 2015 - in the many years they delivered a dividend back to the public.
Mail delivery in Canada is a government-provided privilege and service, not a guaranteed or constitutional right. Gov can do with it as they see fit, including shutting her down.
I know that and you know that but the union is continuing on with insisting that head count must remain constant and salaries must increase. If they can't get the message that they are pointing the gun at their head, let them pull the trigger.
Mad Mike
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CUPW is in for a rude awakening. Every day they posture and delay will cost them something - I can’t see CPC budging another inch, I can see them continuing to take things off the table after each offer is turned down.
The Oct 3 update took a lot of stuff off the table:
- Removed signing bonuses that historically are given at time of ratification.
- guaranteed job security gone, “workforce adjustment” (RIF) terms introduced
- Committed to move to 100% community mailboxes
- Eliminated most OT opportunities for full timers by expanding PT and weekend worker headcount.
- Removed contractual protection against closing about 500 post office locations
Wonder how the union bosses are sleeping these days?
I wonder how long is required between offers? Like the dutch auction, maybe CP should send CUPW an offer every x days that is worse than the previous offer. CUPW can decide when to sign or ride it right into the ground.
Mad Mike
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There is no wait time, ann offer can be revised or withdrawn anytime if it’s not been accepted.
That would be fun.
Even more fun would be letting the online bookies open up wagering on the offers.
Jan Simpson told them to cheer up. Things could be worse.
So they cheered up and sure enough, things got worse.
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I do feel sorry for the hard working focused individuals in the postal system that have been there for decades expecting their diligence to be rewarded with security in retirement. In hindsight many should have found their own way to the exit door far sooner but we are all susceptible to the sunk cost fallacy, hoping our past efforts will provide a future gain. Too often we trust too many for too long.
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Since CP was losing $10-30M a day under full operation, they are likely losing far more than that now. It's not unreasonable to argue that today they are in a worse financial position than yesterday. It is mostly not cupw's fault but everyone associated with CP needs a major blood-letting. The alternative is career genocide for all involved.
AllistonGT
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When I worked at Nortel Back in the 80's it was the UAW. I'm not sure if it's the same today but then, no one got strike pay unless the strike went on for at least 2 weeks. Funny you never see a strike last that long. Unions are built on making a profit and little else.
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sburns
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Could be getting uglier, or trying to peel back the curtain:
www.ctvnews.ca
Postal workers union takes aim at Purolator, which is owned by Canada Post
The union that represents striking postal workers is taking aim at Purolator, a courier company that is 91 per cent owned by Canada Post.
www.ctvnews.ca
Nationwide strike is paused, on to rotating strikes. Cupw met with the feds. They realized they had no cards to play and staying out would have delivered the fatal blow.
toronto.citynews.ca
CUPW to replace nationwide Canada Post walkout with rotating strikes
The Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) says they will shift from a nation-wide strike to rotating strikes.
toronto.citynews.ca
Mad Mike
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I figure going to rotating strikes is more about finances, both posties and CUPW hurt without paychecks. I suspect CUPW is facing a lof of pressure from members who missed their last rent, mortgage or car payment.
My advice to CPC… Lock them out and present a further discounted offer that has efficiency metrics. Set the tone for a leaner more efficient future where the union MUST be as efficient as their competition.
My advice to CPC… Lock them out and present a further discounted offer that has efficiency metrics. Set the tone for a leaner more efficient future where the union MUST be as efficient as their competition.
according to some , the members are turning on the union. Saying things like , we shot ourselves in the foot with the walkout . Public support for the cause ranges from "whatever" to "just fire them all" .
To say the public has had enough? yup, thats about it .
To say the public has had enough? yup, thats about it .
Given the reality that very few people/businesses will put items into the system in the face of rotating strikes and uncertainty, there is a good argument for locking them out. There won't be much work to do anyway. Members are probably really hurting financially already. Is this going to get ugly enough for a canadian union to finally be decertified? It's pretty obvious that they have zero power or influence at this point. They just cost their members money.
I feel for the posties and businesses affected by this strike out of nowhere and no notice given.
But as others have said...the bleeding needs to stop. Lots of people commenting 'it's a service and it's not for profit because gov't essential blah blah blah'.
Sure I'll bite...but in the end, how long can the bleeding continue? As others have said, it costs...$3?...to send a letter from Mississauga to Toronto, or Vancouver...how's that work? Sheer volume can only make up so much and as volume continues to divert to other, and more reliable, options...
Someone needs to wake up, or the workers tell the union to GTFO and try to salvage whatever goodwill there is left.
I saw ZERO support from anyone last time I drove by the West Mall depot...10 people with signs, and no one gave a $hit.
But as others have said...the bleeding needs to stop. Lots of people commenting 'it's a service and it's not for profit because gov't essential blah blah blah'.
Sure I'll bite...but in the end, how long can the bleeding continue? As others have said, it costs...$3?...to send a letter from Mississauga to Toronto, or Vancouver...how's that work? Sheer volume can only make up so much and as volume continues to divert to other, and more reliable, options...
Someone needs to wake up, or the workers tell the union to GTFO and try to salvage whatever goodwill there is left.
I saw ZERO support from anyone last time I drove by the West Mall depot...10 people with signs, and no one gave a $hit.
Probably a few weeks worth in the system after that...
