Canada Post - Huge losses

[nobbie48]

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Where would the remaining 14k people find work then?

I knew a Dutchman, Harry, who came from the Netherlands just after WWII. When he left, he noted that the canals, bridges and infrastructures looked like ant hills with men working using wheelbarrows and shovels to fix war damage.

When he went back for a visit ten years, later work was continuing but with bulldozers, earthmovers and heavy trucks. He wondered where all the workers had gone and if they had work. He commented that more people could be working if they didn't have the machinery but is it right for people to slave away with picks and shovels when machinery is available.

The Netherlands seem to be doing OK.

Super mailboxes are a variation of cargo containers. Where did all the stevedores and longshore men go?

Teamsters got their name from using teams of horses to transport goods. Does anyone want to do a time and cost comparison with a diesel semi?

 

[nobbie48]

The remaining people should be doing the work.

The ones jettisoned from the CPC payroll would need to find work. I’m sure other carriers would absorb some of them, some retire, the rest do what other Canadians do when they lose employment- find another job based on experience and capability, or retrain to get marketable skills.

As for young workers finding jobs, that’s a growing challenge in Canada. Sadly a lot of that is self inflicted, following education paths that lead to no opportunity, or simply not accepting entry level work.

If you’re 20 in Ontario and want to make $100k to and have a retirement age if 50, take a 3 month course on drilling or rock truck driving then call any mine in Ontario.

but rock is just like really hard dirt and if I touch it my hands get dirty.

 

[ReSTored]

Where would the remaining 14k people find work then?

Not to seem uncaring, but the purpose of government is not to provide employment to Canadians just because everyone needs a job.

CUPW has been fighting automation in the workplace, workload measurement and work assignments for decades and they've used the imperative to move mail to keep the economy going as a key negotiation tactic. In the last 10 -15 years everything has changed, but CUPW is still fighting the battles of the 70's and 80's.

Because many changes related to operating more efficiently have been successfully fought off and deferred we now have a massive revenue / cost crisis that demands radical and immediate change.

As with all job functions made redundant by technologic, automation and efficiency the workers impacted will move on and find jobs elsewhere. Unfortunately, it is unlikely that most CUPW CP workers displaced by the coming changes are going to find employment with the same hourly rate and benefits.

 

[xrljoel]

I knew a Dutchman, Harry, who came from the Netherlands just after WWII. When he left, he noted that the canals, bridges and infrastructures looked like ant hills with men working using wheelbarrows and shovels to fix war damage.

When he went back for a visit ten years, later work was continuing but with bulldozers, earthmovers and heavy trucks. He wondered where all the workers had gone and if they had work. He commented that more people could be working if they didn't have the machinery but is it right for people to slave away with picks and shovels when machinery is available.

The Netherlands seem to be doing OK.

Super mailboxes are a variation of cargo containers. Where did all the stevedores and longshore men go?

Teamsters got their name from using teams of horses to transport goods. Does anyone want to do a time and cost comparison with a diesel semi?

Very true.

Unfortunately some years ago governments at numerous levels decided that part of their purpose, and by extension part of the purpose of crown corporations and the like was to employ as many people as possible.

My late father in-law told me about the abundance of flaggers on road construction sites in PEI after I remarked that it seemed they were pretty abundant. Apparently, they placed them about every 30 metres in order to hire as many people as possible so they could get their 16 or 20 weeks so they could qualify of unemployment insurance.

Governments have a choice; either they efficiently provide the appropriate level of service at the most economical cost as possible OR they provide welfare in the form of unnecessary employment to as many people as possible. Unfortunately, those in government made, and continue to make the wrong choice to the detriment of our economy, the entire population and our future.

 

[crankcall]

CUPW was picketing today outside purolator centers , which is legal , but disrupting another guys workplace seems desperate, but what else have they got .
Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.


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[GreyGhost]

CUPW was picketing today outside purolator centers , which is legal , but disrupting another guys workplace seems desperate, but what else have they got .
Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.


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CUPW is sticking with this is a "political choice" to call CP "not sustainable". F that stupidity. It is not a political choice. Postal banking is a ridiculous make work project that will just cost more billions to pay thousands of employees to do a job that doesn't need to exist in the public sector.

I agree with the guy that says don't blame the workers but calling it corporate greed when they are losing billions is insane. I think management should share in the pain and be brutally cut as part of the restructuring (probably at a rate far higher than front-line cuts).

 

[Mad Mike]

CUPW is sticking with this is a "political choice" to call CP "not sustainable". F that stupidity. It is not a political choice. Postal banking is a ridiculous make work project that will just cost more billions to pay thousands of employees to do a job that doesn't need to exist in the public sector.

I agree with the guy that says don't blame the workers but calling it corporate greed when they are losing billions is insane. I think management should share in the pain and be brutally cut as part of the restructuring (probably at a rate far higher than front-line cuts).

I’m with you on management cuts - get out the boning knife.

But I’m not sure I can get behind not blaming workers. Workers are the ones who perform less efficiently than their industry counterparts. Workers are the ones who agree to participate in union shenanigans.

 

[GreyGhost]

I’m with you on management cuts - get out the boning knife.

But I’m not sure I can get behind not blaming workers. Workers are the ones who perform less efficiently than their industry counterparts. Workers are the ones who agree to participate in union shenanigans.

Union is a cult. Anyone that doesn't drink the kool-aid is pushed out. That leaves you with members that believe whatever garbage their exalted leaders spout. If the workers were thinking for themselves, they would have accepted the offer and may have pushed off the impending ass-kicking for a few more years.

 

[nobbie48]

Union is a cult. Anyone that doesn't drink the kool-aid is pushed out. That leaves you with members that believe whatever garbage their exalted leaders spout. If the workers were thinking for themselves, they would have accepted the offer and may have pushed off the impending ass-kicking for a few more years.

A union is a business and like any other business the first sign of death is to stop growing. What options does union leader have for another career when the financial truth can no longer be denied?

How much does a union leader make?

 

[just-me]

How much does a union leader make?

Google says:
The exact salary for the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) president is not publicly available in a single, definitive document, but estimates from Glassdoor place the average total compensation for a CUPW Union President (also listed as a Letter Carrier) at around $179,000 to $180,000 per year, with base pay varying.

 

[GreyGhost]

Google says:
The exact salary for the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) president is not publicly available in a single, definitive document, but estimates from Glassdoor place the average total compensation for a CUPW Union President (also listed as a Letter Carrier) at around $179,000 to $180,000 per year, with base pay varying.

I'll be shocked if it's that low. There is a reason the mob loved unions. I knew the head of a very small trade union and he was making way more than that. I don't expect most to show up on a salary disclosure though. Total comp will be multiples of the salary if you count the travel, expenses covered, etc.

EDIT:
Here's the official answer but like I said, look behind the curtain and I expect a far different situation.

https://www.cupw.ca/sites/default/files/CUPW-National-Constitution-2023-2027-web.pdf

Salaries on May 5, 2023, are as follows:
National President $86,769.18
1st National Vice-President $84,769.18
National Secretary-Treasurer $84 769.18
National Grievance Officer $84,769.18
2nd National Vice-President $84,769.18
3rd National Vice-President $84,769.18
4th National Vice-President $84,769.18
National Directors $84,769.18
Regional Officers $82,769.19
Union Representatives $80,769.18

 

[GreyGhost]

Solid letter from a former CP General counsel.

Opinion: Earth to CUPW — this isn’t the 1970s

The postal union is making demands that would be unrealistic even if Canada Post weren't losing $25-35 million a week. But it is

ca.finance.yahoo.com

 

[crankcall]

Seven weeks vacation , seventeen!! Personal days , thirteen stat holidays . I guess aim high and take a haircut for a realistic solution ? Holy crap


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[GreyGhost]

Seven weeks vacation , seventeen!! Personal days , thirteen stat holidays . I guess aim high and take a haircut for a realistic solution ? Holy crap


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I think many public sector employees don't realize what the real world is like. Like GM employees, if the golden handcuffs are cut, they rightfully face an ass-kicking in the job market. Based on their education, experience and attitude/entitlement, many will be facing a 50% cut in income (and no more pension growth).

 

[nobbie48]

Solid letter from a former CP General counsel.

Opinion: Earth to CUPW — this isn’t the 1970s

The postal union is making demands that would be unrealistic even if Canada Post weren't losing $25-35 million a week. But it is

ca.finance.yahoo.com

Doing welfare checks?? They don't even deliver packages to people that are home. The person could be dead on the porch and they wouldn't notice.

 

[GreyGhost]

Doing welfare checks?? They don't even deliver packages to people that are home. The person could be dead on the porch and they wouldn't notice.

The practicality and/or effectiveness isn't on the unions list of concerns. All that matters to the union is high head count, highly paid. That maximizes union revenue.

 

[AllistonGT]

I think many public sector employees don't realize what the real world is like. Like GM employees, if the golden handcuffs are cut, they rightfully face an ass-kicking in the job market. Based on their education, experience and attitude/entitlement, many will be facing a 50% cut in income (and no more pension growth).

I would never hire someone who came from that background. They would never be content. Never mind the many that would have a horrible work ethic. Yea good luck.

 

[Mikedezo44]

I think many public sector employees don't realize what the real world is like. Like GM employees, if the golden handcuffs are cut, they rightfully face an ass-kicking in the job market. Based on their education, experience and attitude/entitlement, many will be facing a 50% cut in income (and no more pension growth).

Education? I wouldn't be surprised if half of the plant is only there because their mom, dad or uncle was there for 30 years and hooked them up with a job after they didn't make it through university or college.

 

[gsxr guy]

Where would the remaining 14k people find work then?

Plus Carney now wants to attract the H-1B 'talent' and further saturate labour here in Canada

Past 2 years have been brutal for young adults to find work / starter jobs.

The trades are where the work is. Electricians, commercial builders, plumbers, steam fitters. Are in high demand. All the AI crap has to be put in buildings and there is lots of wiring. The buildings need fire prevention, and bathrooms for the workers and on and on. We can't find enough people, so are hiring greenies and training them.

 

[Mad Mike]

The trades are where the work is. Electricians, commercial builders, plumbers, steam fitters. Are in high demand. All the AI crap has to be put in buildings and there is lots of wiring. The buildings need fire prevention, and bathrooms for the workers and on and on. We can't find enough people, so are hiring greenies and training them.

Im in the same boat - cant find people. I’ve been young greenhorns too but that has its challenges. I’ve started to use 50+ greenhorns, they aren’t as able with the real physical work but they show up on time every day, don’t need a couple of sick days each month, and can stay off their phones for longer than 10 minutes.

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