Canada Post - Huge losses

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The key challenge for CUPW members, and in particular its union leadership, is that these folks spend way too much time together and have a serious and debilitating case of groupthink.

If you live and breathe the union, and everyone you live and work with is associated with the union, then everything they're asking for seems reasonable and logical.

CUPW Proposal to Add New Work Duties...........

To cover the corporation’s losses, CUPW proposes to generate more revenue through: postal banking, northern food delivery, conversion of rural post offices to artisanal markets and electric charging stations and having letter carriers perform welfare checks in the homes of seniors and disabled persons.

CUPW is proposing new ways to keep dues paying members employed and busy to warrant their salary and benefits. And again, this all sounds reasonably to CUPW and they are putting these ideas forward for serious consideration.

Is there a survey out there indicating the level of support for CUPW? Haven't seen one. IMO I think union has seriously misjudged the how Canadians feel about CP in general and the union in particular. We're ready for change and we're sick of hearing complaints from CUPW.
 
I'm a confirmed capitalist, if CP was even remotely profitable , close to a breakeven, or had a plan to be breakeven , I could care less if CUPW had hot tubs and massuse on hand for end of shift, 9weeks holiday and kept the pension plan. But they have nothing. The govt is telling them to shelve home service. We have to hire a consultancy group for hundreds of thousands to tell a well paid management group how to get things done.
How do Canadians feel about CUPW? me, I feel the same as I feel about college support staff buggering up kids education , hospitals having slowdowns and workloads for municipal workers. Enough already.
 
ReSTored said:
The key challenge for CUPW members, and in particular its union leadership, is that these folks spend way too much time together and have a serious and debilitating case of groupthink.

If you live and breathe the union, and everyone you live and work with is associated with the union, then everything they're asking for seems reasonable and logical.

CUPW Proposal to Add New Work Duties...........

To cover the corporation’s losses, CUPW proposes to generate more revenue through: postal banking, northern food delivery, conversion of rural post offices to artisanal markets and electric charging stations and having letter carriers perform welfare checks in the homes of seniors and disabled persons.

CUPW is proposing new ways to keep dues paying members employed and busy to warrant their salary and benefits. And again, this all sounds reasonably to CUPW and they are putting these ideas forward for serious consideration.

Is there a survey out there indicating the level of support for CUPW? Haven't seen one. IMO I think union has seriously misjudged the how Canadians feel about CP in general and the union in particular. We're ready for change and we're sick of hearing complaints from CUPW.
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The ship has sailed on these ideas. I spend time in some of the remotest parts of the country, getting food, banking and parcels delivered without CPC’s help is already figured out.

If union is looking to enter/launch a new business, they should seriously consider opening retraining and placement centres for displaced CUPW workers.
 
Mad Mike said:
The ship has sailed on these ideas. I spend time in some of the remotest parts of the country, getting food, banking and parcels delivered without CPC’s help is already figured out.

If union is looking to enter/launch a new business, they should seriously consider opening retraining and placement centres for displaced CUPW workers.
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If the union has so many profitable business ideas, they should spin up a business and use their very valuable employees to make bank. Oh wait, the economics only work if there is an unlimited pool of money that can prop up more stupid ideas.
 
GreyGhost said:
I think many public sector employees don't realize what the real world is like. Like GM employees, if the golden handcuffs are cut, they rightfully face an ass-kicking in the job market. Based on their education, experience and attitude/entitlement, many will be facing a 50% cut in income (and no more pension growth).
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Years ago I was on a service call at a condo and got talking to the assistant super.

He started working at Goodyear in Mimico straight out of high school. Thirty years later he was driving a fork lift. Then they closed the plant and he got a sweetheart severance. He partied that away in a year and found out that there wasn't much demand for fork lift drivers.

Part time supers don't get paid a lot.

Union leadership's job is to instill in the rank and file that the union is in control and the gravy boat will always be full. Critisize that dogma and you will be silenced.
 
CUPW proposals are to help Canada Post generate more money and serve more Canadains. Both are good. If they are feasible or not that's another story. What seems to be the main sticking point between CUPW and Canada Post Inc, is Canada Post wanting to reduce delivery and service especially in rural area. CUPW finances and internal affairs do not affect the general public only it's members.
 
justride said:
CUPW proposals are to help Canada Post generate more money and serve more Canadains. Both are good. If they are feasible or not that's another story. What seems to be the main sticking point between CUPW and Canada Post Inc, is Canada Post wanting to reduce delivery and service especially in rural area. CUPW finances and internal affairs do not affect the general public only it's members.
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CP should be mail focused. Adding them as homecare agents or bank tellers is bleeping insane. Like government bills that are called one thing and then incorporate many other completely unrelated things, it's just a way to bury more waste and point fingers. If the union wants to be in the job creation game, they need to start some businesses. If there is not enough mail to justify the workforce (when delivered efficiently and not ham-strung by idiotic procedures of the past that no smart person would ever implement today), the workforce must be cut (management included).
 
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justride said:
CUPW proposals are to help Canada Post generate more money and serve more Canadains. Both are good. If they are feasible or not that's another story. What seems to be the main sticking point between CUPW and Canada Post Inc, is Canada Post wanting to reduce delivery and service especially in rural area. CUPW finances and internal affairs do not affect the general public only it's members.
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CUPW is only interested in more jobs, not the well being, value for money, or convenience of Canadians.

If they were that benevolent or creative, the wouldn’t be the root cause of the current mess.
 
Mad Mike said:
CUPW is only interested in more jobs, not the well being, value for money, or convenience of Canadians.

If they were that benevolent or creative, the wouldn’t be the root cause of the current mess.
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I agree with your first point. I don't believe CUPW is the root of the current mess though. Management has been crap for years. Politicians (especially JT) get a lot of the blame as they ensured the ship crashed into the reef. Politicians allowing a pseudo crown corp to hand out millions in bonuses while being insolvent is a fail. Clean the whole house out. I still think that it would be simpler to grenade CP and spin up CP2. That eliminates legacy issues (including grossly overweight management) with minimal severance cost as CP is documented as insolvent. CP2 can hire some of the useful people from CP if they desire.
 
GreyGhost said:
I agree with your first point. I don't believe CUPW is the root of the current mess though. Management has been crap for years. Politicians (especially JT) get a lot of the blame as they ensured the ship crashed into the reef. Politicians allowing a pseudo crown corp to hand out millions in bonuses while being insolvent is a fail. Clean the whole house out. I still think that it would be simpler to grenade CP and spin up CP2. That eliminates legacy issues (including grossly overweight management) with minimal severance cost as CP is documented as insolvent. CP2 can hire some of the useful people from CP if they desire.
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I agree this is a 3-Stooges situation. Politicos, union, and management have all served their own agendas over those of the country.

It looks like the Politicos (Moe) are getting out of the way… that leaves 2 Stooges. With Politicos out of the way, management (Larry) should be able to move more freely and become solely responsible for the mess. That leaves one more Stooge (Curly), they’re still eating raw spaghetti.

Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk.
 
CP sent a new offer. Similar to the old offer with a side of ass kicking. CUPW is fuming.

New severance offers of 18 months. As I expected, the dumpster fire will be huge. Letting CP die would save many billions.

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GreyGhost said:
CP sent a new offer. Similar to the old offer with a side of ass kicking. CUPW is fuming.

New severance offers of 18 months. As I expected, the dumpster fire will be huge. Letting CP die would save many billions.

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I guess CUPW doesn’t understand the concept of how time might change things.

Their customers bolting, competion strengthening, political protection and public support is about 2:1 in favor of CPC over CUPW.

CUPWs bargaining position has been significantly weakened, and declines daily — yet their leaders think CPC should be strengthening their offer?

The bird ( offer) CUPW had has vanished back into the bush.
 
It seems Jan Simpson seems to be p***** that she might lose her job and have to actually work somewhere.

The government doesn't have enough eggs to fill the CUPW carton.

Maybe the CUPW members have to take on the task of stimulating more business.

What if each member bought and used 1000 first class stamps each month?

$1.25 X 1000 X 60,000 X12 = $9 million. That covers last year's loss ($748 M) with a bit left over to handle the extra load.
 
The whole thing makes me think of the last days of the dinosaurs, enjoying the day, life is good. The asteroid however is a couple days out. Just maybe the workers should decertify the Union and take the money and run. I get it,.. easier said than done etc. Letting the Union run them won`t end well. I paid union dues for decades, it allowed drunks and druggies and thieves and useless slackers to keep their jobs, a lot of them over and over, never did SFA for me.
 
nobbie48 said:
It seems Jan Simpson seems to be p***** that she might lose her job and have to actually work somewhere.

The government doesn't have enough eggs to fill the CUPW carton.

Maybe the CUPW members have to take on the task of stimulating more business.

What if each member bought and used 1000 first class stamps each month?

$1.25 X 1000 X 60,000 X12 = $9 million. That covers last year's loss ($748 M) with a bit left over to handle the extra load.
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1250+tax of aftertax money for the posties would be brutal. That does help illustrate the magnitude of the issue though.
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