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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

Will definitely document everything for sure and will mention the dealer name when things are complete either way.

I plotted out the return trip on plugshare.com tonight - for what I'm estimating to be 180-200KM ranges at 401 speeds (although the Ioniq is apparently almost unbelievably efficient and north of 200 shouldn't be any issue unless we have the heat cranked or are driving at 130 or something) Level 3 stations are a bit awkwardly placed, seemingly more suited to 250-300KM range EV's unless you want to use L2's..which are way more plentiful along the corridor.

Planning a stop in Cornwall (only 130KM, but we may leave MTL a little less than 100% so that's OK) for what will be a 15 minute hit, then I figured we'd stop at the Casino in Belleville (150KM from last stop) - several L2's there and after stuffing a few $20's in the machines and probably lunch at the buffet...that should easily have us at 100% again. Another quick 10 minute or so hit in Belleville (110KM from the casino) should carry us home with room to spare.

I see the several of the new Petro Canada multi charging stations listed as "under construction" in Plugshare now - they will be awesome as they should be good solid well maintained high-KW equipment...in convenient locations. They will make a massive difference on the 401 Windsor to Montreal corridor, no question. Glad to see Petro Canada onboard with the future already.
 
I realize you are very excited about electric vehicles, but have you talked to current owners about the difference between summer and winter range? I asked a workmate/friend about range of her new Volt in the middle of this last winter and she was telling me the way she drives it she gets about 200km during summer and about less than half of that during dead of winter. She does not get left high and dry since the Volt is not pure electric but if it was, she would get stranded often. This conversation was started because I noticed all the car charging stations were full up that snowy day and she could not recharge while at work. Not trying to be a jerk, but more concerned about your wife getting stranded, as I saw you mentioned she drives 800km plus per week for work and this car would be for her to drive. I probably should not worry for you, but I know my wife would kill me if she got stranded at side of road more than once.

From the 2017 Ioniq forums
Hello, I live in Montreal, Canada and these last couples of days, outside temperature was around -20c.
The range I can get from the ioniq EV with CCP is around 100-110km with heat at 20c and fan between 2 and 3 bars!!

Usually in summer, I get around 230km

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Lakota said:
I realize you are very excited about electric vehicles, but have you talked to current owners about the difference between summer and winter range? I asked a workmate/friend about range of her new Volt...
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I had to LOL at this response to PP's post.

But, in fairness to folks that are new to the thread, PrivatePilot is the original poster for this thread, and has had a Volt for a couple of years (and now has two).
 
All good then. I only commented as he directed me to read this thread, I started, but no way can I find time to go through 177 pages. Now that I know he is an electric owner already, he obviously knows the winter drawbacks and can live with that, all good.
 
I hope on your drive home you don't encounter my biggest frustration with my Volt when it's time to charge publicly ... people with gas cars parked in the EV charging spots! Fairview Mall is notoriously bad and management does nothing about it.

Of course with the Volt, it's no big deal but with no gas engine backup on the Ioniq, you my be waiting around.
 
Thx guys. Yes, winter range is in my head and I have heard stories of the Ioniq getting as low as 120 or so in extreme cold scenarios. 100-110 seems unlikely unless the person complaining about that perhaps left home without an actually full charged battery (possible) and was driving 130-140, which in Quebec, is entirely possible. ;)

But here's my followup on that:

- We rarely see -20 or below here. Overnight, sure, but it usually warms up through the day. Montreal is a different bag.

- She doesn't drive 140. Heck, her commutes to and from the 401/DVP area where her office is you're lucky if you hit 80. ;)

- If that sort of extreme persistent cold weather is forecasted, for those few days every winter they may happen...I'd just tell my wife to take my Volt instead and I'll drive the Ionic for my 9KM commute. Problem instantly solved.

- Even in more moderate temperatures like the typical 0 to -10c days, her commute is 48KM exactly. Under 100 return. She'll have no issues.

LBV said:
I hope on your drive home you don't encounter my biggest frustration with my Volt when it's time to charge publicly ... people with gas cars parked in the EV charging spots! Fairview Mall is notoriously bad and management does nothing about it.
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For the type of driving we'll be doing with the Ioniq...public charging won't be make it or break it as we have more than enough range to get to and from anywhere we typically go in the GTA without really needing to charge, with the exception of longer trips. Outside urban areas (IE, 401 corridor, Highway 7 corridor, etc etc) and smaller cities and towns with L2 and L3 chargers, from past experience travelling with my sister and BIL's Kia Soul, EV, charging tends to be less problematic as the stations aren't typically placed in spots that get ICE'd like they often do at malls and such. Yes, DCFC stations may have waits (in researching our charging stops for the trip home from MTL I have seen heavy usage patterns on the 401 corridor DCFC's), but given most are billed by the minute...people don't sit at them for a minute longer than they need to.
 
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PrivatePilot said:
Thx guys. Yes, winter range is in my head and I have heard stories of the Ioniq getting as low as 120 or so in extreme cold scenarios.
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From your past experience, I wonder how much of that range hit is people not pre-conditioning while plugged in? Getting the cabin heated up seems to be one of the biggest hits to range.
 
LBV said:
I hope on your drive home you don't encounter my biggest frustration with my Volt when it's time to charge publicly ... people with gas cars parked in the EV charging spots! Fairview Mall is notoriously bad and management does nothing about it.

Of course with the Volt, it's no big deal but with no gas engine backup on the Ioniq, you my be waiting around.
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double park them and shame.
 
LBV said:
I hope on your drive home you don't encounter my biggest frustration with my Volt when it's time to charge publicly ... people with gas cars parked in the EV charging spots! Fairview Mall is notoriously bad and management does nothing about it.

Of course with the Volt, it's no big deal but with no gas engine backup on the Ioniq, you my be waiting around.
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At the downtown Barrie library, the charging locations have signs that they are parking spots for everybody, they are not for PIEV only. Very strange. Obviously they were full of ICE vehicles and there was a Volt parked in a normal spot. They must have got push back after giving the best five parking spots to EV's.
 
They’re totally wasting the time and effort of putting in chargers if they’re just going to invite them to be ICE’d. It would be like building a gas station and then letting EV’s park in front of the pumps all day while they’re off doing business.

That’s likely the result of some stupid anti EV employee who works there and got butthurt over the good parking spots being reserved for “those hippie tree huggers”.
 
GreyGhost said:
From your past experience, I wonder how much of that range hit is people not pre-conditioning while plugged in? Getting the cabin heated up seems to be one of the biggest hits to range.
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I agree that there has to be more to the story - only getting 100km on nearly 30kw, -20c or not, tells me that this person is forgetting to share a lot of their story....like how they were driving 140 the whole time, or they sat somewhere parked for an hour or so with the heat on, but not driving.
 
PrivatePilot said:
They’re totally wasting the time and effort of putting in chargers if they’re just going to invite them to be ICE’d. It would be like building a gas station and then letting EV’s park in front of the pumps all day while they’re off doing business.

That’s likely the result of some stupid anti EV employee who works there and got butthurt over the good parking spots being reserved for “those hippie tree huggers”.
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I understand that it’s cheaper to install chargers closest to the building. Trenching, conduit, etc. But put them farther away and no one would complain.
 
caboose56 said:
I understand that it’s cheaper to install chargers closest to the building. Trenching, conduit, etc. But put them farther away and no one would complain.
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In this case, they may have had another option for the same money. They could have moved parallel to the building wall so the distance to the building was the same, but used the spots furthest from the door. Obviously distance to the electrical room may change (although I don't know where it is so that could be better or worse).
 
Yep, when you’re running fat wires for big kilowatts...distance matters.

Anyhow, some follow up.

My wife’s Volt is sold. New owner should be enjoying it by the weekend, going for certification and everything later this week.

The Montreal dealer for the Ioniq is going over and above on everything for me - very impressed. Staying in contact and making life very easy, I’m definitely at ease with the transaction thus far.

We head there Saturday morning.

I’m attempting to do some due diligence with the dealer that originally sold the car, and the had it back for the trade in before it went to Quebec - confirming mileage at trade in plus anything else notable they may be able to share. I haven’t heard back from them yet.
 
Forgot to mention - I attended the information session and test drive at the EV discovery centre this past Saturday that was mandatory to be eligible for the $1000 used EV rebate I posted about here a few pages back. It went well, and was mostly on point and informative, but I’ll add some comments about it at a later date.

Funny, but the fellow that ended up buying the car was there as well. He recognized me when he came to look at the car. Lives just around the corner from us. Small world. ;)
 
I had little issue selling my 2014 too. Good for you.
 
The mileage was of concern to a lot of people. I had one couple come see it - he listened to reason and test drive the car and quickly realized the battery was still excellent. He loved it, was really geeking out, loved the price...and seemed ready to drop a deposit.

His wife however had been told by some mechanic in the family that the battery was ready for the trash heap at 200,000Km and it was going to cost her $15,000 when she needs to replace it. She wasn’t really interested in reality, just the usual misinformation and fear out there.

Apparently she won out. Didn’t hear back from them afterwards.

Anyhow, the new family buying it was more realistic and seems happy. It’s still a genuinely really nice car in excellent condition...and there’s certainly no worries about the battery - that car will still be running well into the 300,000-400,000KM range like many Volts before it.
 
PrivatePilot said:
The mileage was of concern to a lot of people. I had one couple come see it - he listened to reason and test drive the car and quickly realized the battery was still excellent. He loved it, was really geeking out, loved the price...and seemed ready to drop a deposit.

His wife however had been told by some mechanic in the family that the battery was ready for the trash heap at 200,000Km and it was going to cost her $15,000 when she needs to replace it. She wasn’t really interested in reality, just the usual misinformation and fear out there.

Apparently she won out. Didn’t hear back from them afterwards.

Anyhow, the new family buying it was more realistic and seems happy. It’s still a genuinely really nice car in excellent condition...and there’s certainly no worries about the battery - that car will still be running well into the 300,000-400,000KM range like many Volts before it.
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Since obviously nobody will be spending 15K on a battery, have people figured out how to run the Volt without a battery? Obviously it loses all the conventional benefits, but I assume a dead battery Volt could be purchased for scrap prices. Or have there not been enough dead battery volts for someone to try this?
 
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