The Bad Drivers of Ontario Thread

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A 16-year-old motorist not yet fully licensed has been charged with stunt driving after police stopped a car that was speeding at nearly 200 km/h on Highway 403 in Mississauga. Ontario Provincial Police said the vehicle was recently clocked at 188 km/h on the busy highway near Mavis Road. That speed is nearly double the posted limit on that section of the highway. Shortly after the car was pulled over, a 16-year-old was charged with stunt driving, police said. The teen, who was in possession of a G2 licence at the time, also had their licence suspended for 30 days and the vehicle was impounded for two weeks.
 
TK4 said:
A 16-year-old motorist not yet fully licensed has been charged with stunt driving after police stopped a car that was speeding at nearly 200 km/h on Highway 403 in Mississauga. Ontario Provincial Police said the vehicle was recently clocked at 188 km/h on the busy highway near Mavis Road. That speed is nearly double the posted limit on that section of the highway. Shortly after the car was pulled over, a 16-year-old was charged with stunt driving, police said. The teen, who was in possession of a G2 licence at the time, also had their licence suspended for 30 days and the vehicle was impounded for two weeks.
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Confirming the reason young males pay through the nose for insurance. Unfortunately, the more reserved young males also get punished by reason of birthdate.
 
mimico_polak said:
I can't wait until they catch this mofo...

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Killed someone, ran away, stopped to take off his plate, and then kept going.
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I heard the car was a Mini Cooper, grey with black roof, now sporting front end damage. How many of those are around?

If they catch the perp it would be too late to prove DUI. Maybe a DUI should be a mandatory order of fries when running.
 
nobbie48 said:
I heard the car was a Mini Cooper, grey with black roof, now sporting front end damage. How many of those are around?

If they catch the perp it would be too late to prove DUI. Maybe a DUI should be a mandatory order of fries when running.
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That would be an unconstitutional charge and would not stand muster. Pass a law like that and it's overturned in the first case.
 
nobbie48 said:
I heard the car was a Mini Cooper, grey with black roof, now sporting front end damage. How many of those are around?

If they catch the perp it would be too late to prove DUI. Maybe a DUI should be a mandatory order of fries when running.
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Not needed. They need to make leaving the scene the worst possible charge. Penalty many times worse than all other charges. As it is, it's a coin flip on leaving the scene/dui so statistically, running isn't a terrible idea.
 
Scuba Steve said:
Would be better just to write a law making the punishment for running the same as impaired including that new child support idea.

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It has to be worse as not 100% are caught. At least double the penalty so the odds are clearly not in your favor if you run.
 
GreyGhost said:
Not needed. They need to make leaving the scene the worst possible charge. Penalty many times worse than all other charges. As it is, it's a coin flip on leaving the scene/dui so statistically, running isn't a terrible idea.
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Leaving the scene of an accident causing death is already a possible life sentence, under CC 320:16.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Leaving the scene of an accident causing death is already a possible life sentence, under CC 320:16.
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Problem is that the justice system usually lets these murderers off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

So while running CAN be a life sentence...it's typically a slap on the wrist and 'off you go' finger wag with a pinky promise not to do it again.

I hope they catch this a$$hole, and I hope that they can tie the removal of plates to the fact that he KNEW he killed someone and just tried to get away.

That car is hidden somewhere right now, and very likely in a body shop already getting repaired for cash.

Let's hope someone has a conscience and rats him out.
 
mimico_polak said:
Problem is that the justice system usually lets these murderers off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

So while running CAN be a life sentence...it's typically a slap on the wrist and 'off you go' finger wag with a pinky promise not to do it again.

I hope they catch this a$$hole, and I hope that they can tie the removal of plates to the fact that he KNEW he killed someone and just tried to get away.

That car is hidden somewhere right now, and very likely in a body shop already getting repaired for cash.

Let's hope someone has a conscience and rats him out.
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His actions, after the collision, will certainly figure into his sentence and an act like this should rule out any deals, unless there is otherwise no real chance of obtaining a conviction for his actual actions.
 
backmarkerducati said:
For the plate removal... if at some point I had to remove my plate it is usually a small struggle with seized screws and if I was on the road would I even have the right screwdriver. So... could it have been a dealer plate?
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Or stolen car where they are constantly swapping plates with other vehicles. If they swap plates with another car in a parking lot, it may be quite a while before the other car even notices that their plates have changed.

I was thinking the same thing. I will have something in the car to take off plates but the vast majority of people won't.
 
mimico_polak said:
Problem is that the justice system usually lets these murderers off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

So while running CAN be a life sentence...it's typically a slap on the wrist and 'off you go' finger wag with a pinky promise not to do it again.

I hope they catch this a$$hole, and I hope that they can tie the removal of plates to the fact that he KNEW he killed someone and just tried to get away.

That car is hidden somewhere right now, and very likely in a body shop already getting repaired for cash.

Let's hope someone has a conscience and rats him out.
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If someone you deeply care for committed a heinous crime, the best thing you could do for them is to convince them to turn themselves in so they can, to some degree mitigate the damage to their reputation.

If they don’t comply, you mitigate damage to your reputation by doing it for them.
 
GreyGhost said:
I don't care about the theoretical max sentences as they are basically unicorns. Minimum sentences need to be a huge hammer.
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Crash diets don’t work because as soon as the dieter loses XX pounds they go back to pigging out. Is our crime and punishment system any different?

Good diets are slow and long term, creating a habit of good nutrition. Transfer that thought to crime and punishment.

Instead of putting the perp in jail for a year, 365 days, getting out to party hearty, let him/her serve four weeks a year for ten years. Split the weeks up so they serve a week every three months, keeping their job situation fresh in their minds.

1) It spreads the education over a longer term and is more likely to change habits.

2) They can likely keep their job, avoiding a welfare situation for their family.

3) If they fail to comply with restrictions the clock is reset to zero.

4) If the family and friends want to testify on the perp’s behalf, saying he/she is a good person they must first commit to a $100 a month donation to either the victim’s family or a victim fund for the ten years.
 
GreyGhost said:
It has to be worse as not 100% are caught. At least double the penalty so the odds are clearly not in your favor if you run.
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When the stats are purely financial the calculations are easy.

With illegal parking, if you know the cost of parking, the cost of a ticket and the enforcement rate it’s easy to determine the best financial route.

DUIs are difficult in that the offender is mentally skewed. Crimes involving egos or emotions are worse, verging on insanity. Like a cornered cat their only thought is how to get out of the corner. They’ll deal with the next corner when they come to it.

The tipping point is recognizing what your BAC level is before you commit to driving or having one for the road. How do we enforce that?
 
nobbie48 said:
The tipping point is recognizing what your BAC level is before you commit to driving or having one for the road. How do we enforce that?
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Be careful with that thought. Governments at times ponder forcing breathalyzers into all vehicles. What a fortune that would be and so painful as a malfunction in that system strands you. Much cheaper to really lean on those convicted of DUI as statistically, they reoffend often. A second conviction (even if no injuries) should end their life as they knew it.
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