Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

I was all set to write a diatribe about how they just don't make 'em like they used to, but then I Googled "registered vehicle average age". Turns out vehicle average age on the road has increased steadily since the '70s, from around 7 years then to a record of over 12 years in the US and 10 years in Canada now.

Counterintuitive, but maybe it's just a sign that a 12-year-old car doesn't look so old to my aging eyes as it did when I was 15.

Still, with all the various sealed unit components, LED headlights included, it's definitely got to be worse for a shade tree mechanic. I look around in my last few vehicles, and screens have come to dominate critical components like HVAC, audio and even the dash cluster. Time will tell how long they last and how easily replacement parts can be sourced for stuff like that, and I suspect that number will drop as all the '90s/'00s Civics and Corollas finally breathe their last...

In the 1970s and 1980s, cars went to the junkyard with fenders flapping in the breeze and holes in the rocker panels, and often with wafts of blue smoke coming from the exhaust. That sometimes still happens, not as often (corrosion protection and paint technology has advanced enormously). Now, an awful lot of cars go to the junkyard still looking pretty good, but in need of (for example) a control module that costs $1000 if you can find one that still works but which isn't available from the original manufacturer. And it probably needs that module because of a bad internal solder joint, or a blown capacitor on the circuit board.

For some really popular cars with known electronic issues, there are places that specialise in fixing electronic components.
 
In the 1970s and 1980s, cars went to the junkyard with fenders flapping in the breeze and holes in the rocker panels, and often with wafts of blue smoke coming from the exhaust. That sometimes still happens, not as often (corrosion protection and paint technology has advanced enormously). Now, an awful lot of cars go to the junkyard still looking pretty good, but in need of (for example) a control module that costs $1000 if you can find one that still works but which isn't available from the original manufacturer. And it probably needs that module because of a bad internal solder joint, or a blown capacitor on the circuit board.

For some really popular cars with known electronic issues, there are places that specialise in fixing electronic components.
Scrapping a car over a head gasket seems ridiculous but when it's several thousand because the vehicle has to be dismantled to get at the gasket it hurts.

Even new modules have issues and there was no guarantee on Goldwing Reg / Recs from Honda. At $400 a pop, alternator conversions were attractive. Being sealed in epoxy there isn't an easy fix. I was told some outboard motor reg / recs were being repaired by some wizard but never got a name.

LED taillights $400 to $1200.
 
And our Idiots In Charge are going all in in forcing EVs on us.

EV performance is great. So taxpayers pay to subsidize expensive high-performance vehicles being purchased by the wealthier set. All while the government throws billions on not-yet-fully-developed technologies dependent on foreign sources.

To the buyers:

Some of the free courtesy charge points are being converted to pay to charge. The fast charge ones ae 5X the price of charging at home.

All the gas tax you're not paying. Sooner more likely than later you will be paying a mileage charge based on odometer readings. PHEV will get double dipped.

Solving a problem properly takes a cradle to the grave mindset.

A company had a problem with icicles forming on a roof edge over their entrance so a heating cable was installed to melt the ice before icicles could form.

The melt water dropped onto the steps and froze creating a slip hazard.

The steps were rebuilt and heated but there was no place for the runoff water to go.

A drain was cut into the steps but it froze up below grade.

Heaters were installed to keep the drain clear until it was below frost level.
 
How are they forcing anything? You're still free to buy gas cars if you want.
With to the linked article, you are correct. In the land of Virtue signaling and the budget balancing itself on the other hand :/. Carney has made no statements about canceling our deadline nor do I expect him too as it will be very profitable for him.
 
With to the linked article, you are correct. In the land of Virtue signaling and the budget balancing itself on the other hand :/. Carney has made no statements about canceling our deadline nor do I expect him too as it will be very profitable for him.
I'm waiting for his "Upon review..." speech or will it be a "Due to the tariff situation..."speech.
 
Taking the 100% tariff off of Chinese EV's would make them instantly affordable, but would be problematic for the various EV factories they're trying to get built in Ontario.

Still, if the US and Euro automakers kowtow to Trump's demands, those are DOA anyway, so we might as well enjoy the fruits of Chinese industry subsidization.
 
Taking the 100% tariff off of Chinese EV's would make them instantly affordable, but would be problematic for the various EV factories they're trying to get built in Ontario.

Still, if the US and Euro automakers kowtow to Trump's demands, those are DOA anyway, so we might as well enjoy the fruits of Chinese industry subsidization.
How would a tariff free BYD compare pricewise to ICE, similar size?

If they sold like hotcakes the infrastructure issues would become apparent. Then the loss of gas tax revenue. The comes a per KM tax to compensate. Then the shift on refinery outputs to other products.
 
Taking the 100% tariff off of Chinese EV's would make them instantly affordable, but would be problematic for the various EV factories they're trying to get built in Ontario.

Still, if the US and Euro automakers kowtow to Trump's demands, those are DOA anyway, so we might as well enjoy the fruits of Chinese industry subsidization.
How would a tariff free BYD compare pricewise to ICE, similar size?

If they sold like hotcakes the infrastructure issues would become apparent. Then the loss of gas tax revenue. The comes a per KM tax to compensate. Then the shift on refinery outputs to other products.

All these what ifs are moot. As it sits now, unless there is a change in government and Bill C-12 is scrapped/amended, by 2030 you will most likely have to go on a waiting list/lottery to purchase a new ICE vehicle and won't be able to buy one at all in 2035.
 
How would a tariff free BYD compare pricewise to ICE, similar size?

If they sold like hotcakes the infrastructure issues would become apparent. Then the loss of gas tax revenue. The comes a per KM tax to compensate. Then the shift on refinery outputs to other products.
No clue on what the actual price would be here, just that there is a BYD model in China that has a ~300 km range that sells for around $14k CAD. Once you add various safety certifications etc, I'd expect that price to at least double, but that's still cheaper than all but the most budget ICE offerings.

As for infrastructure, that's complicated. I assume the distribution network could be matched to demand fairly quickly, but the supply side could get interesting. Still, most of the EV owners I know charge overnight when there's surplus power, so maybe it doesn't have as big an impact as expected. It's certainly more viable in Canada than most countries with our plentiful hydro generation options.

As for road tax, that would probably have to get built into licensing fees to make sure it was a user fee rather than a tax on all electricity. Either way, it's something we're already paying one way or another. If it wasn't already tied to US mega corps selling gas at obscene profits, it might be less painful.

In other words, to me, all surmountable problems. You trade some issues for others, and longer trips would be more complicated, but in the end it would add up to a more independent Canada than we have now, at least from an energy perspective. If we kept or processed our own oil, that might make the math different, but we don't, so it doesn't. If nothing else, it would go a long way to decoupling our economy from the US, which comes with even more pros and potential cons that far exceed this thread...
 
No clue on what the actual price would be here, just that there is a BYD model in China that has a ~300 km range that sells for around $14k CAD. Once you add various safety certifications etc, I'd expect that price to at least double, but that's still cheaper than all but the most budget ICE offerings.

As for infrastructure, that's complicated. I assume the distribution network could be matched to demand fairly quickly, but the supply side could get interesting. Still, most of the EV owners I know charge overnight when there's surplus power, so maybe it doesn't have as big an impact as expected. It's certainly more viable in Canada than most countries with our plentiful hydro generation options.

As for road tax, that would probably have to get built into licensing fees to make sure it was a user fee rather than a tax on all electricity. Either way, it's something we're already paying one way or another. If it wasn't already tied to US mega corps selling gas at obscene profits, it might be less painful.

In other words, to me, all surmountable problems. You trade some issues for others, and longer trips would be more complicated, but in the end it would add up to a more independent Canada than we have now, at least from an energy perspective. If we kept or processed our own oil, that might make the math different, but we don't, so it doesn't. If nothing else, it would go a long way to decoupling our economy from the US, which comes with even more pros and potential cons that far exceed this thread...
Recharging at home is comparatively easy if home is a single family dwelling. Even 120 volts gets, IIRC, 100 miles overnight, good enough for grocery shopping.

The nice thing about EV's is that when stuck in a gridlock the motor isn't consuming power unlike ICE. But the air conditioning and heater are.

EV's are supposedly good with regards to climate change but are negatively affected by the change / instability.

New condos are being built with a few charge points but 100% EV is going to be a challenge.

Do developers build in 100% capacity, substantially raising prices, in a flakey market?

Older condos and rental apartments will be a financial nightmare for owners. If the power isn't available from hydro, it means the whole building envelope has to be modified. Load shedding is one option but what do you shed. Stretching a point, do we go like Russia where you only get power for a certain daily time frame? What if someone is on an oxygen concentrator or works form home. Details, details.

The Eglington fiasco was plagued by details, details.

Follow the money.
 
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