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pretty much the first google hit.

Do EV batteries only last 10 years?


Manufacturers are so confident of the battery's road use that most electric cars come with an extended warranty of eight years, or 100,000 miles. Today, most EV batteries have a life expectancy of 15 to 20 years within the car – and a second life beyond.Jul 15, 2022

https://www.nationalgrid.com/storie...ories/what-happens-old-electric-car-batteries
 
Hahahaha As if the internet knows anything. I liked your story better about the friend of a friend who had a cousin who owned a troublesome Prius, Carry on.....
 
Wow. If a quarter panel is $41K then this must have cost more that the repairs to a Ferrari 250 GT California after kicking it off a jack while you were trying to roll back the odometer.

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I can't help but think it was either a "You've got a Rivian" price or a "We don't really want the job" price.

Seriously? Replace the whole bed for a dented quarter?
 
Don't put words in my mouth, of course there's electricity in the rural areas, there's even internet!

There's also no evidence to support your claim that the battery will last the life of the vehicle. I do have a colleague who have to keep McGyvering his Prius's battery, and that car is newer than all of mine except the one I just bought. I do know the batteries on my phones, tablets, and laptops have all conked out before the devices themselves did.

Congrats on owning your EV for a whole year, I guess nothing will happen after that. Cheapest new EV is still 2x + the cost of the cheapest new ICE car, I know it's a forum for rich old ballerz, but not everyone can ball like that.
Prius battery design was a stinker. It used cabin air for cooling. Have a pet in the cabin and duct plugs and battery dies. Look at properly engineered liquid cooled battery packs and there are few issues.
 
The problem with EV's that no one seems to talk about is the life expectancy of tires. A good friend of mine is pretty high up at Rivian and he was telling me that some of the employees there were complaining that after 10,000 miles they needed new tires. Heavy vehicle due to weight, add oodles of torque due to electric motors, and you end up burning through tires.

I recently read that a large portion of mictoplastics in the oceans were from tires, this won't help. Not to mention, if you need a new set of tires every two years instead of every 5 years, the potential savings on gas diminish. Admittedly, the Rivian truck is a truck and not a car so it's heavier to begin with, but it does open the door for a serious discussion that needs to be addressed.
 
The problem with EV's that no one seems to talk about is the life expectancy of tires. A good friend of mine is pretty high up at Rivian and he was telling me that some of the employees there were complaining that after 10,000 miles they needed new tires. Heavy vehicle due to weight, add oodles of torque due to electric motors, and you end up burning through tires.

I recently read that a large portion of mictoplastics in the oceans were from tires, this won't help. Not to mention, if you need a new set of tires every two years instead of every 5 years, the potential savings on gas diminish. Admittedly, the Rivian truck is a truck and not a car so it's heavier to begin with, but it does open the door for a serious discussion that needs to be addressed.
Let's talk about what all those heavier vehicles will do to road beds. Trucks and buses are bad enough. Inside the 416 a lot of major (and secondary) streets already look like Afghanistan.
 
I’ve got a buddy who has a polestar that every so often needs to pull over and have roadside assistance log in and reset the system as it goes in to limp mode

That's a modern-complicated-vehicle-with-modern-complicated-controls thing, not necessarily an EV thing. (Software/navigation/etc too complicated for its own good)

Both VW and GM are going through software headaches on their newer vehicles, too ... and it isn't just the EVs.

The problem with EV's that no one seems to talk about is the life expectancy of tires. A good friend of mine is pretty high up at Rivian and he was telling me that some of the employees there were complaining that after 10,000 miles they needed new tires. Heavy vehicle due to weight, add oodles of torque due to electric motors, and you end up burning through tires.

I've heard that Rivians are tough on tires. That's a suspension-design issue ... not an EV issue! And here's why ...

Rivians have on-the-fly adjustable ride height and 4-wheel-independent suspension with an upper and lower wishbone design.

(1) It is really hard to design those for zero bump steer ... the steering link never exactly coincides with the main suspension arms. This means it can only have zero toe at one specific ride height. At any other ride height, it's going to have non-zero toe. It is also often necessary to design-in some roll understeer into the geometry to ensure proper stability at high speed. But you can't do that without introducing bump steer, which means ... non-zero toe at any ride height other than some nominal setting. That's not good for tire wear.

(2) Another thing, those suspensions aren't designed with a zero camber curve. (Equal-length and parallel upper and lower arms. The upper arm is always shorter. I've seen the Rivian's suspension layout. It uses the conventional layout with a shorter upper arm.) There is good reason for this ... when you have body-roll in a corner, the negative camber with suspension compression partially offsets the body roll that the tire sees, so the contact patch stays flatter on the ground for more grip. BUT. It means, you only have zero camber (or close to it) at or near one specific ride height (or in a fairly narrow range where the upper and lower arms are close-enough to being parallel. If you run it in the low suspension mode for less drag at highway speed (which I'm pretty sure it does automatically), the wheels are going to have negative camber, and because all 4 corners are like this, it's going to be like this on all four!

I'm afraid that high tire wear is going to be inherent with any double-wishbone-type suspension that has significant ride-height-adjustment capability unless it has been specifically designed with parallel equal-length upper and lower control arms and tie-rods ... but then, cornering and high-speed-stability will be compromised.

Look for the cybertruck to have the same issue because it has the same design features.

Of course, it doesn't help that the darn thing weighs 7000 lbs, but that's not a horrendous amount more than a combustion-engine 4x4 extended-cab pickup with all the luxury bells and whistles. They're no lightweights, either. This is more a criticism that pickup trucks have all gotten too big and heavy in general.

N.B. The Ford Lightning doesn't have air-ride ... and it uses a pure-trailing-arm independent rear suspension, which in the automotive world is something that went obsolete decades ago. BUT. That suspension design, at least ideally, has zero toe and camber change with suspension movement. If you load up the truck, it shouldn't eat rear tires. Compare, for example, to the old Ford Twin-I-Beam front suspension ... which has high camber change with suspension motion ... and is a notorious front-tire-eater.

Let's talk about what all those heavier vehicles will do to road beds. Trucks and buses are bad enough. Inside the 416 a lot of major (and secondary) streets already look like Afghanistan.

My Bolt weighs 1600 kg. That's only slightly more than a VW Golf, not enough to make a meaningful difference for road wear.

If you're worried about roadway wear, we need to have a discussion about people using enormous trucks and SUVs to move one person to and fro, before discussing its powertrain.
 
Better link (Apple News article doesn't work for me, this should)


Note, "passenger" vehicles. Not heavy-duty trucks.

N.B. Quebec and BC are already above 20%. If they can do it ...
This is only happening because of heavy provincial government subsides and most car companies have fed their allocations where they will be sold.

This level of EV incentives cannot be maintained indefinitely as volumes grow and should not be as it is not an equal opportunity for all consumers (affordability)
 
I’m just waiting for province or the feds to start heavy subsidies for EV adoption to continue growing.

I’ll take that ‘free’ money.
 
I’m just waiting for province or the feds to start heavy subsidies for EV adoption to continue growing.

I’ll take that ‘free’ money.
it's a sham and i don't think we'll see it come back.
 
Unless the Liberals can convince China and others to get on board right away,
Not sure what you infer but China is far ahead of us and every one else moving to carbo neutral.
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This is only happening because of heavy provincial government subsides and most car companies have fed their allocations where they will be sold.

This level of EV incentives cannot be maintained indefinitely as volumes grow and should not be as it is not an equal opportunity for all consumers (affordability)
subsidies ..?? what about the oil and gas subsidies.....? :rolleyes:
 
Old joke here in Mennoniteland."ya, it's ok, the horse knows the way home."
Seriously tho.... I've seen Mennonites knock back a micky in the buggy before our after the lunch. They need seatbelts too. Far too many child fatalities.
Thankfully I havent personally seen one of these crashes. When I have encountered buggies, they were almost entirely on the shoulder. Are these crashes normally cars drifting right or buggies drifting left?
 
National Post is owned by Postmedia. They're right-leaning.
No wonder they were reluctant to print my "Steven Harper campaign of Shame " and "Scheer Stupidity" series of letters to the editor.
 
No wonder they were reluctant to print my "Steven Harper campaign of Shame " and "Scheer Stupidity" series of letters to the editor.

You thinking that they actually would print them is the puzzling part.
 

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