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Has the city lost it's mind...

Just exactly what is conventional life today?

A lot of people need stability and it doesn't exist anymore. All the old standards are gone and it happened largely in one generation. There was no time for society to adjust. In 1975 your time was controlled by a clock radio. By 1999 we were worried about Y2K shutting down the universe. A bunch here on the forum are scratching their heads, What's Y2K?

There is evidence that shows everyone's brain is wired differently from birth. I don't know what the percentages are or how many categories there are but some people freak out at rapid change while others need the excitement of battle.

Take 10 people at random that have had no interest in motorcycles, strap them to the pillions of a bunch of R-1's and take them on a spirited ride. At the end some will be angry at the stupid pace and risk factor. Some will be in tears and needing Prozac. Some will euphoric "I want one".

Some people are wired to punch a time clock and if they're having fish for dinner it must be Friday. Others vary their hours and push hard to make it work. Dinner is what ever sounds good. If you can remember the last time you ate it have something else.

Free trade may have been one of the turning points. While it delivered a lot of prosperity it brought in massive change faster than the fifty year old fork lift driver could adapt. His 25 year old kid was following in his footsteps.

I know I'm repetitive on this but name a politician you trust to look out for your future.
Is it really any different than it's been the last hundred years the pace change. Someone 100 years ago had never seen an airport.

Sent from the future
 
Interesting move:

IMO a good thing, a push back against brain washing. Will it make any difference? Was it that big a deal to start with?


I feel sorry for anyone who's a recovering gambling addict. Can't watch TV without at least one gambling site ad every cycle of commercials. Six - ten times an hour (depending on the network/channel) hour, after hour, after hour.
 
I feel sorry for anyone who's a recovering gambling addict. Can't watch TV without at least one gambling site ad every cycle of commercials. Six - ten times an hour (depending on the network/channel) hour, after hour, after hour.
I haven't watched TV with commercials for more than a few hours in the last decade. I feel sorry for anyone that has to watch that crap.
 
Much ado about nothing. Maybe an ok first step. This wouldn't affect crypto or NFT's which are basically gambling as there is no (or very minimal) underlying value. You are betting that they will rise in value as more suckers pile in behind you.

A gambler is going to gamble. Wayne gretzky in an ad may make some lose their money at X instead of Y. I suspect it has a trivial affect on their losses.

If agco actually cared about gamblers, they would limit the amount you could lose before getting locked out of all agco gaming (maybe as a percentage of last years tax return?, maybe a flat $10K limit unless you apply for a higher limit with supporting documentation?). Let's be honest. Agco exists to gather money (mostly from those with issues) for the province to waste. They need to sprinkle some morality and charity on it so they don't look so bad.
Endorsements are a sign of the lack of critical thinking. What does a pro ball player know about cars, boats or beer to advise millions on what to buy. Sports footwear OK. Underarm deodorant not so much.
 
I feel sorry for anyone who's a recovering gambling addict. Can't watch TV without at least one gambling site ad every cycle of commercials. Six - ten times an hour (depending on the network/channel) hour, after hour, after hour.

A buddy ended up losing a bundle online with his cell phone while traveling cross country in a big rig. He gambled during his rest time so much that his driving partner illegally had to drive his shift because he wasn't fit. A few years ago he told me he had $30-40K saved up for retirement. He died while having his CPP garnisheed to cover his Visa.
 
Interesting experiment. Seems to designed to produce the desired outcome. It is very interesting that they state addictions and mental health issues do not make up the majority of homeless people. That seems incorrect based on my experience. I think they cherry picked a very small segment of the population to use for this study.

Now, does giving money to people that are functional members of society but down on their luck make sense as it is cheaper and more beneficial than grouping them in with the addiction and mental health crowd? I think the answer to that is yes.


"A new B.C.-based study undercuts the persistent stereotype that homeless people can't be trusted with cash, according to the lead researcher who says it also highlights a different way to respond to the crisis.

Dr. Jiaying Zhao, an associate professor of psychology at the University of British Columbia, was part of a team that gave 50 homeless people in Vancouver $7,500 and then followed them for a year.

The participants who were given cash were compared with 65 homeless people who did not get the payment. Those who got the payment did not spend more money on "temptation goods," spent 99 fewer days homeless, increased their savings and spent less time in shelters which "saved society" $777 per person

The study did not include people who are street-entrenched or who have serious addictions or mental health issues, Zhao noted, adding people who fit that criteria do not make up the majority of homeless people."
 
The study did not include people who are street-entrenched or who have serious addictions or mental health issues, Zhao noted, adding people who fit that criteria do not make up the majority of homeless people."

So they excluded all the problem people, gave those who were down on their luck some money, and the results were positive. Shocking! Lol.

There is definitely a case to made for separating these groups. Though I wonder how a program like that would scale, sounds like it's ripe for abuse.
 
Giving them $7500 saved society $777 per person?
Hopefully, a program like this could be used to get people back on their feet (one time injection gets them functional again, housed and out of the support system).

Like I said, the study seems to be designed to produce the desired headline. Lots of holes in it.

As for the $777, a shelter bed in Toronto is ~$200/night. If they were homeless for 99 less days, 777 seems shockingly low. Also, how the hell are shelter beds in Toronto so much money. What a crapshow of government waste.
 
A buddy ended up losing a bundle online with his cell phone while traveling cross country in a big rig. He gambled during his rest time so much that his driving partner illegally had to drive his shift because he wasn't fit. A few years ago he told me he had $30-40K saved up for retirement. He died while having his CPP garnisheed to cover his Visa.

40K saved up for retirement ? LOL , I never thought about retiring to a small tent in the shrubbery off Barton st in Hamilton , wonder what the wednesday special is at the mission .
 
40K saved up for retirement ? LOL , I never thought about retiring to a small tent in the shrubbery off Barton st in Hamilton , wonder what the wednesday special is at the mission .
Actually it was a trailer park in Nova Scotia. If he hadn’t screwed up his CPP he could have mooched ok
 
I never thought about retiring to a small tent in the shrubbery off Barton st in Hamilton

The boulevard across from the subsidized housing on Ferguson south of Barton, to be exact. Ironically, it's the nicest street in Hamilton.

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Is that like waiting in line for concert tickets?
A take off on losing their minds and tickets, what is with ticket prices?

Does asking four and five figures for a ticket imply anything about our economy?

I don’t give a rat’s fart about what the seller gets. It isn’t a spot in line for a blood transfusion or a kidney but the numbers blow my mind. TIFF is getting complaints.

If a bidder offers $2500 for a seat and misses out that’s $2500 they have for a down payment. Sorry you weren’t born richer.
 
Just exactly what is conventional life today?

A lot of people need stability and it doesn't exist anymore. All the old standards are gone and it happened largely in one generation. There was no time for society to adjust. In 1975 your time was controlled by a clock radio. By 1999 we were worried about Y2K shutting down the universe. A bunch here on the forum are scratching their heads, What's Y2K?

There is evidence that shows everyone's brain is wired differently from birth. I don't know what the percentages are or how many categories there are but some people freak out at rapid change while others need the excitement of battle.

Take 10 people at random that have had no interest in motorcycles, strap them to the pillions of a bunch of R-1's and take them on a spirited ride. At the end some will be angry at the stupid pace and risk factor. Some will be in tears and needing Prozac. Some will euphoric "I want one".

Some people are wired to punch a time clock and if they're having fish for dinner it must be Friday. Others vary their hours and push hard to make it work. Dinner is what ever sounds good. If you can remember the last time you ate it have something else.

Free trade may have been one of the turning points. While it delivered a lot of prosperity it brought in massive change faster than the fifty year old fork lift driver could adapt. His 25 year old kid was following in his footsteps.

I know I'm repetitive on this but name a politician you trust to look out for your future.

There is so much truth in this post.
 
Interesting experiment. Seems to designed to produce the desired outcome. It is very interesting that they state addictions and mental health issues do not make up the majority of homeless people. That seems incorrect based on my experience. I think they cherry picked a very small segment of the population to use for this study.

Now, does giving money to people that are functional members of society but down on their luck make sense as it is cheaper and more beneficial than grouping them in with the addiction and mental health crowd? I think the answer to that is yes.


"A new B.C.-based study undercuts the persistent stereotype that homeless people can't be trusted with cash, according to the lead researcher who says it also highlights a different way to respond to the crisis.

Dr. Jiaying Zhao, an associate professor of psychology at the University of British Columbia, was part of a team that gave 50 homeless people in Vancouver $7,500 and then followed them for a year.

The participants who were given cash were compared with 65 homeless people who did not get the payment. Those who got the payment did not spend more money on "temptation goods," spent 99 fewer days homeless, increased their savings and spent less time in shelters which "saved society" $777 per person

The study did not include people who are street-entrenched or who have serious addictions or mental health issues, Zhao noted, adding people who fit that criteria do not make up the majority of homeless people."

There's a group of people in the largest encampment in this area.. that have just fallen into homelessness. They seem like regular folks, most of them have jobs.. but for whatever reason aren't in a place... their camp is spotless.. and there's some decent vehicles parked at their encampment.. I think most of them could be helped off the street with a cash injection..
The folks that I focus on are a much different case.. I am sure if you gave them a sizeable amount of money.. a lot of them would OD very quickly and continuously until the money ran out... or they died.
We can tell when they get their gov cheques.. They will be more junked out than usual for a couple of days until the money runs out. The number of ODs go up around cheque time... for a day or two.
 
There's a group of people in the largest encampment in this area.. that have just fallen into homelessness. They seem like regular folks, most of them have jobs.. but for whatever reason aren't in a place... their camp is spotless.. and there's some decent vehicles parked at their encampment.. I think most of them could be helped off the street with a cash injection..
The folks that I focus on are a much different case.. I am sure if you gave them a sizeable amount of money.. a lot of them would OD very quickly and continuously until the money ran out... or they died.
We can tell when they get their gov cheques.. They will be more junked out than usual for a couple of days until the money runs out. The number of ODs go up around cheque time... for a day or two.
Unfortunately I saw similar when working at the Beer Store. Once the govt cheques came in the lineups were out the door.

Every other time…minimal in comparison.
 

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