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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

The last couple of days have given an idea of the consumption increase due to winter and having snow tires on. It's now in the 17 - 19 kWh / 100 km range.

I had a trip to St Thomas yesterday. I opportunity-charged at a Level 2 at a Timmies near London on the way there (15 - 20 min) and to have lunch and finish writing up my documentation on the way back (probably 40 min). The car took on over 10 kWh in that time. The 2022-on Bolt's on-board AC charger - for 240V Level 2 - will charge at 11.2 kW if the charging station can supply it.
 
How many km of range did that net you?
 
Brian P said:
Huuuuge improvement. The new Prius actually looks pretty good.
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Too bad they still only gave it basically the range of a 2015 Volt. The best thing about the Gen2 volt is 80-100km range. Still nothing out there that beats that.

For the few extra kw they needed to add to reach that magic 100km/60 Miles number that they could have used as a big marketing point, this seems like a bit of a swing and a miss to me honestly.
 
SunnY S said:
This thing is a stroke of brilliance.
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Coming from someone who at many times in this very thread sh!t on the Volt for having a "tiny EV range" and having a mixed electric and ICE drivetrain that nobody wanted because it was stupid, this is a whole new level of goalpost moving.

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You do realize that the Prius comes in Hybrid only form which is what I've been preaching since post 2 of this thread?

Apart from pointing out the corrected range from previous poster,. My comments reflect the new style, power, fuel economy and options that come with the entire Prius range

For those that like a plug in option. All the power to them.

The Prius is simply a brilliant package overall. Most exciting Toyota product I've seen in a long time.


But you are welcome to twist it any way you want....
 
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SunnY S said:
The Prius is simply a brilliant package overall. Most exciting Toyota product I've seen in a long time
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It’s a second gen Volt with a smaller battery and resulting crappier electric only range.

But hey, if that’s “exciting” for you based on those facts and a different style body (and of course, not being a GM vehicle), the irony remains sky high.
 
PrivatePilot said:
It’s a second gen Volt with a smaller battery and resulting crappier electric only range.

But hey, if that’s “exciting” for you based on those facts and a different style body (and of course, not being a GM vehicle), the irony remains sky high.
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the issue is that this is the type of vehicle people use. We don't need to be force fed EV only. What percentage of people drive LESS than the EV range of these plug ins per day? How many people could use this as a daily driver and never use gas. The numbers are huge. You could take half of the vehicles of the road and replace them with plug ins and no one would have a problem....it is the drive for 200k or 300k EVs that we do not need. (at least not at the current prices). Most people drive to work and then pick up the kids or lunch or groceries and then home. For the one out of 10 days i need more than 60 k i still get 4l per 100k? Sign me up.
 
800over said:
the issue is that this is the type of vehicle people use. We don't need to be force fed EV only. What percentage of people drive LESS than the EV range of these plug ins per day? How many people could use this as a daily driver and never use gas. The numbers are huge
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Absolutely. I suspect someone at GM is really kicking themselves for having killed the Volt when they did as PHEV's (and Volts in general) now in insane demand. "Electric when you can, gas when you need it" is an alluring prospect for more and more people every day, but the actual number of cars out there that now support this is slim. GM just never had their **** together with marketing and missed the boat and then threw it out only a year or two before the segment really took off.

As for the argument that most people could use a PHEV in it's electric only range and never use gas, that's the entire basis on which the Volt was released. But anyone who owns a Volt and has ever talked to someone about it's range, when you say "50 Kilometers", people are immediately horrified and instinctively say "well that's no good!". But then when you ask them how many km they drive on a daily basis and they actually stop and *think* about it, they realize that....they rarely drive more than 50km a day and something like a Volt would actually be perfect for them.

It's the publics insistence that an EV is able to drive insane amounts of distances without needing to charge ("800 to 1000 kilometers!" was often a number that was bandied about), as rediculous as those numbers are (most people rarely drive more than a few hundred km a few times a year), this is a huge stumbling block in EV adoption.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Absolutely. I suspect someone at GM is really kicking themselves for having killed the Volt when they did as PHEV's (and Volts in general) now in insane demand. "Electric when you can, gas when you need it" is an alluring prospect for more and more people every day, but the actual number of cars out there that now support this is slim. GM just never had their **** together with marketing and missed the boat and then threw it out only a year or two before the segment really took off.

As for the argument that most people could use a PHEV in it's electric only range and never use gas, that's the entire basis on which the Volt was released. But anyone who owns a Volt and has ever talked to someone about it's range, when you say "50 Kilometers", people are immediately horrified and instinctively say "well that's no good!". But then when you ask them how many km they drive on a daily basis and they actually stop and *think* about it, they realize that....they rarely drive more than 50km a day and something like a Volt would actually be perfect for them.

It's the publics insistence that an EV is able to drive insane amounts of distances without needing to charge ("800 to 1000 kilometers!" was often a number that was bandied about), as rediculous as those numbers are (most people rarely drive more than a few hundred km a few times a year), this is a huge stumbling block in EV adoption.
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Why do i see so many articles on how poor the resale value of volts is? Seems like a 2nd gen is under 12g in the USA.

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Brian P said:
The missed opportunity was for GM to put the 2nd-gen Volt powertrain underneath the current-gen Equinox. They're both D2XX-platform underneath ...
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There was many missed opportunities. I keep hoping that they'll revive the Gen2 Votec drivetrain and stuff it into something.

Scuba Steve said:
Why do i see so many articles on how poor the resale value of volts is? Seems like a 2nd gen is under 12g in the USA.

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Used to be that way, absolutely no question.

In the last 1.5-2 years? Complete reversal.
I paid $11K or something like that for my 2011 3 years or so back (geez, I forget exactly now lol) and I could sell it for the same money today, if not maybe a bit more even. We stole our loaded premiere 2017 a year ago now at $23K and the same car with similar mileage is now selling for $27-$28K. You won't find any Gen2 for under 12K in the USA anymore that's for sure.

This is why I'm sure someone is kicking themselves at GM. The Volt drivetrain arrived before it's time and the EV/PHEV market wasn't ready to gain mass market traction. Now, that market is huge and expanding every day, and GM left it behind.
 
PrivatePilot said:
There was many missed opportunities. I keep hoping that they'll revive the Gen2 Votec drivetrain and stuff it into something.



Used to be that way, absolutely no question.

In the last 1.5-2 years? Complete reversal.
I paid $11K or something like that for my 2011 3 years or so back (geez, I forget exactly now lol) and I could sell it for the same money today, if not maybe a bit more even. We stole our loaded premiere 2017 a year ago now at $23K and the same car with similar mileage is now selling for $27-$28K. You won't find any Gen2 for under 12K in the USA anymore that's for sure.

This is why I'm sure someone is kicking themselves at GM. The Volt drivetrain arrived before it's time and the EV/PHEV market wasn't ready to gain mass market traction. Now, that market is huge and expanding every day, and GM left it behind.
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What I am seeing is very recent
www.slashgear.com

The Chevrolet Volt's Terrible Resale Value Explained - SlashGear

The Chevy Volt was the carmaker's first entry into the EV space. The car lasted only nine years and today, the used car market is not being kind to the Volt.
www.slashgear.com www.slashgear.com

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Scuba Steve said:
What I am seeing is very recent
www.slashgear.com

The Chevrolet Volt's Terrible Resale Value Explained - SlashGear

The Chevy Volt was the carmaker's first entry into the EV space. The car lasted only nine years and today, the used car market is not being kind to the Volt.
www.slashgear.com www.slashgear.com

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Seems to be an article rehashing old news without actually looking at current values.
Let me know when you find any road ready Gen2's (aside from perhaps insane high mileage thrashed 2016 LT base models, and even that I'd be surprised) for under $12K. You may be surprised at values when you actually start looking.

Even Gen1's are selling for several thousand more than that now in the USA.

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Base model gen2's start around 20K (USD) now.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Except used car prices are starting to crash now, and EV's and PHEV's are maintaining or still gaining.
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I haven’t seen any notable ‘crash’ in used car prices yet. Not in Canada / Ontario anyway.

So I checked the Volt today….

GOM started 74km
Actual range 61km
Battery used 13.6kwh

That normal?
 
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