Although I have always picked up uvip on bikes I was buying, technically selling without a uvip is an hta offense. No idea how often that ticket is actually written.
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Who pays for the safety/certification
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TK4
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I'm not sure how that reads exactly. If I have the 17 digit VIN for pretty much anything I can go to Service Ontario and get a UVIP, no questions asked.
Like a safety, the onus is on the buyer and the seller to sort that out. BTW, they bumped the price for the UVIP recently, it's like $40 now.
"11.1 (1) Every person who sells, offers for sale or transfers a used motor vehicle shall provide a valid used vehicle information package in respect of the vehicle for inspection by proposed purchasers or transferees and shall deliver the package to the purchaser or transferee at the time of sale or transfer of the vehicle. 1993, c. 13, s. 1."
"34.2 Fail to deliver valid information package at time vehicle transfer 11.1(1) $140.00"
The seller is legally required to provide the uvip. Often that doesn't happen, but technically that is an HTA violation. I always pull my own so I know it is legit. I don't do it often enough to spot fake UVIP's.
Has it occurred to you that perhaps the reason some safety's are quick and fast is because the job isn't actually getting done?
Every vehicle on the road can be "Certified" fast and cheap.....if you're not even looking at the car and are just writing up the piece of paper saying you did.
Sure wish I know about those magic $500 flat rate safeties the last time I spent north of $3500 doing an annual on my 1-Ton pickup. Sure would have saved me a ton.
TK4
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Thank you for clarifying. The bike I sold without UVIP or safety went to Quebec, the buyer didn't feel he needed the documents so that was ultimately reflected in the selling price.
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TK4
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The inspection station (shop) and inspecting mechanic are responsible, not the buyer or the seller. That's why both numbers go on the safety.
That's also why a reputable shop carries liability insurance.
If you sell 'as is', that's a whole different ball game.
TK4
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He still has to inspect it properly. If you read the back of a certificate there are about 50 things that must be looked at.
Writing you a safety without doing that (or perfunctorily doing it) is illegal, irresponsible and potentially dangerous for the prospective owner. There's no excuse.
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Go over to the Dirt forum and preach to all the enduro guys.
TK4
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I'll leave that up to you, Peggy and Trials. I don't preach, I state what I know from personal experience.
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I was looking for a commuter car last year and there are a ton of dealerships that state in their ads that their vehicles are sold with a safety for $500 more than the advertised price (the one that made you click on the car). Some go so far as to say they won't let you take possession of the car unless you pay the extra certification fee, "for your safety."
It's dishonest, and for me - implies the dealer is crooked.
I thought something had changed regarding the VIN number it terms of ability to register for on road use. Apparently not.
In my annual "I want another dirt bike" phase I've seen plenty of off road only enduros that are blue plated (uncertified) and even a few motocross bike that don't even have lights or lighting coils advertised as blue plated.
I'll vouch for Ted, but I only go to him for a safeties, too far for me and I usually do my own wrenching.
The fact that he will come to you and the pricing has kept me there.
He always asks, are you selling or did you buy this? I've only really gotten a safety from him for bikes I've bought.
He will tell you if things are worn or need replacements but will still write you the safety.
I check over every bike in detail before I buy and negotiate price off to do my own safety or for fixes required.
Looked around for another safety nearby this season, most are double the price, not open on Saturdays and weren't able to do the safety while I was waiting.
The fact that he will come to you and the pricing has kept me there.
He always asks, are you selling or did you buy this? I've only really gotten a safety from him for bikes I've bought.
He will tell you if things are worn or need replacements but will still write you the safety.
I check over every bike in detail before I buy and negotiate price off to do my own safety or for fixes required.
Looked around for another safety nearby this season, most are double the price, not open on Saturdays and weren't able to do the safety while I was waiting.
Blue. I've seen many blue plated MX bikes over the years converted for enduro competition with lighting coils and aftermarket lighting kits etc. but not for a few years.
Pre 2006 it was simple thing to plate pretty well anything. Slap some battery operated lights on it and get a bicycle bell and you were good to go
Post 2006, the way I understand it, the bike has to be approved for road use somewhere in the world... so no more full on dirt bikes.
Post 2006, the way I understand it, the bike has to be approved for road use somewhere in the world... so no more full on dirt bikes.
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