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kiwi

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So imagine it was like this here:

"Australian service stations can legally refuse to serve you fuel if you don’t remove your helmet, but very few provide anywhere safe for you to place your helmet while you fill up."

see
Why remove your helmet at a service station? - Motorbike Writer

In NZ, I recall the banks and gas stations had "no helmet" signs posted on doors.

..and I just use stations that have self pay at the pumps here. I hate walking in to the gas station and leaving the bike unattended.
 

Evoex

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Problem with that is they will say "yes it is the law" and now you are in a debate when both of you are not lawyers. You have to convince someone that you are correct in a confrontational situation. Most people get their back up and will refuse to accept they are wrong. Now he says you have to take your helmet off and pay, you say no way but want to pay, he says take it off, cops get called when you try to walk away thinking you are in the right. All this for an ideal that is not all that important. Again you are right, but is the argument and confrontation really worth it? End result if things go your way is a gas attendant now knows it is not against the law to wear a helmet inside the store.
I take my rights seriously, so it's worth it to me. If others want to be sheep then so be it.
 

Evoex

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So imagine it was like this here:

"Australian service stations can legally refuse to serve you fuel if you don’t remove your helmet, but very few provide anywhere safe for you to place your helmet while you fill up."

see
Why remove your helmet at a service station? - Motorbike Writer

In NZ, I recall the banks and gas stations had "no helmet" signs posted on doors.

..and I just use stations that have self pay at the pumps here. I hate walking in to the gas station and leaving the bike unattended.
Taken from the article.

If they don’t let you in, you are then within your legal right to ride away without paying and you may have the defence that you tried to pay but were rejected.
It is much the same situation here, they can legally refuse you service here as well if it's their policy. If you post signs saying as much even better, less chance of a problem arising.
 

Wingboy

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Can't believe this has gone 6 pages. It's like listening to American sovereign citizens argue about their constitutional rights. I should lock it and open it in the winter time.
 

jc100

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Pretty sure there's some interesting correlations with this thread, the Sikh helmet/no helmet thread and also any conversation about burka wearing women not removing burkas for various reasons.
 

mimico_polak

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I take my rights seriously, so it's worth it to me. If others want to be sheep then so be it.
Which rights exactly are being violated?
 
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Baggsy

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Which eights exactly are being violated?
The right to jump to conclusions with insufficient evidence. If you only hear one side of a story and immediately agree that they are correct without hearing how they may have changed the story, or hearing the other side . . .
 

mimico_polak

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The right to jump to conclusions with insufficient evidence. If you only hear one side of a story and immediately agree that they are correct without hearing how they may have changed the story, or hearing the other side . . .
There’s always three sides to a story....mine, yours, and the truth in between somewhere....
 
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Chrispy

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I would just do it since it doesn't really take that long.. Regardless of my 'rights'.. Better comply and get out than sit there arguing and wasting time. We're all adults I assume.. Why argue over something so small? Stop going to that gas station if you don't like it, or simply prepay at pump.
 

Lightcycle

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You have the right to speed up when someone is trying to merge into your lane.
You have the right to not hold the door open for the person walking behind you.
You have the right not to leave any tip to your waiter even though they've provided excellent service.
You have the right to leave the shopping cart in the middle of the parking lot when you're finished putting your groceries in your car.

You have the right to do many things that aren't technically illegal.

However, most times, when people are adamant about their "rights", it's actually to justify acting like a prick.
 

meme

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Again they have the right to ask, as I have the right to refuse.
Nothing prickish about it unless they take it to the next step by making up laws, threatening detainment etc. You ask, I say no, I pay with the cash in my hand and on my way.

Saying that, headed to fill gas tanks with the truck. No helmet needed for this. Bogie weekend!!! Hope you guys are enjoying out west
 

Trials

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You know, I really enjoy that in Canada you can typically pump your gas and then pay for it after, and I sure hope we never go with the retail business model in the US of having to pay for fuel before you pump it because everybody is assumed to be a thief. I'm basically against anything that threatens the Canadian business model where our norm is to treat people as honest until proven guilty.

Are you wearing a full faced motorcycle riding helmet? People can't read your lips when you are wearing a full faced helmet. If you need to communicate with another person and you are not riding, just take the stupid helmet off, it's not that big of a deal it's just common sense and a common courtesy.
 

MacDoc

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My 3/4 helmet ...even with the chin guard on - I've never had to take off even at the border...in both directions. I do open the visor tho.

In Australia I just put my covertible up - no problem. I have more issue with the postal code nonsense in the US though I'm told the 3 Cdn numbers plus 2 zeroes is supposed to work.

We had to go in too often to pay on this last month but never removed my helmet. I generally look for pay at the pump and with the CB500x don't need to get off the bike to fuel up. I just set the tank bag down, fuel up and replace the tank bag and good for another 450 km
 

ReSTored

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You know, I really enjoy that in Canada you can typically pump your gas and then pay for it after, and I sure hope we never go with the retail business model in the US of having to pay for fuel before you pump it because everybody is assumed to be a thief. I'm basically against anything that threatens the Canadian business model where our norm is to treat people as honest until proven guilty.
I have no issue with prepay at the pump or in the store because, unfortunately, gas theft is a real issue and many aggressive and unscrupulous gas station owners hold the clerks on duty responsible for shortages at shift end. I pumped gas in the summers for 3 - 4 years as a teenager ( yes, this was a long time ago ) and if you fill up 2 -3 hundred cars a day you're going to come across a few people who want to rip you off, it's just the law of averages.
 

ReSTored

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You have the right to speed up when someone is trying to merge into your lane.
You have the right to not hold the door open for the person walking behind you.
You have the right not to leave any tip to your waiter even though they've provided excellent service.
You have the right to leave the shopping cart in the middle of the parking lot when you're finished putting your groceries in your car.

You have the right to do many things that aren't technically illegal.

However, most times, when people are adamant about their "rights", it's actually to justify acting like a prick.
If more people simply acted with common courtesy the world would be a better place.
 

MacDoc

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If more people simply acted with common courtesy the world would be a better place.
If more people acted with common sense ....

Bet you had zero hassle in Japan ...;)

There are times when letting management know they will lose your business is effective.

In Oregon....in theory ....no one is allowed to pump their own gas. Interesting approach I support - the damn oil companies can certainly afford to pay some wages - they take lots out of the economy with little coming back.
Same reason I refuse self check out.
 
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