Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.5%
  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.5%
  • I like turtles

    Votes: 56 50.0%

  • Total voters
    112

Off-duty Toronto cop avoids jail time for teen’s assault in ‘Kijiji deal gone bad’​

Justice Jennifer Woollcombe inside a Brampton, Ont., courtroom "
“I am very concerned that despite his all of his police training and experience, Au demonstrated the inability or unwillingness to assess a situation and then to use reasonable force,”

 

Off-duty Toronto cop avoids jail time for teen’s assault in ‘Kijiji deal gone bad’​

Justice Jennifer Woollcombe inside a Brampton, Ont., courtroom "
“I am very concerned that despite his all of his police training and experience, Au demonstrated the inability or unwillingness to assess a situation and then to use reasonable force,”

Another embarrassment by the courts. If it was you or I, we would be in jail and have a lifetime weapons ban. Courts need to start putting police at least on an even playing field and ideally held to an elevated standard as we give them exceptional powers so abusing/exceeding them should come with exceptional consequences.

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When judges tailor their sentences to avoid the big hammer, they should be fired. They know cops with a custodial sentence can get fired so they almost never hand one out. Even if someone dies, the thick blue line takes precedence.
 
Another embarrassment by the courts. If it was you or I, we would be in jail and have a lifetime weapons ban. Courts need to start putting police at least on an even playing field and ideally held to an elevated standard as we give them exceptional powers so abusing/exceeding them should come with exceptional consequences.

Edit:

When judges tailor their sentences to avoid the big hammer, they should be fired. They know cops with a custodial sentence can get fired so they almost never hand one out. Even if someone dies, the thick blue line takes precedence.
We should go the route of electing judges to being democratic principles into our justice system.

Appointed judges leave no say to the public - they are free to act with near zero accountability and as Ford puts it, they are serving criminals -not the people of Ontario.
 
Another embarrassment by the courts. If it was you or I, we would be in jail and have a lifetime weapons ban. Courts need to start putting police at least on an even playing field and ideally held to an elevated standard as we give them exceptional powers so abusing/exceeding them should come with exceptional consequences.

Edit:

When judges tailor their sentences to avoid the big hammer, they should be fired. They know cops with a custodial sentence can get fired so they almost never hand one out. Even if someone dies, the thick blue line takes precedence.
Cops with a custodial sentence are pretty much fired immediately, because they simply can't report for duty. A conviction, even with a non custodial sentence, can result in being fired. It does. however, feel like he was under-convicted. If the injury received in that "interaction" resulted in a brain bleed, then he's guilty of much more than simple assault.
 
We should go the route of electing judges to being democratic principles into our justice system.

Appointed judges leave no say to the public - they are free to act with near zero accountability and as Ford puts it, they are serving criminals -not the people of Ontario.
My knee jerk reaction is the same but the reality is we could end up with a ton of wrongful convictions by judges that want to get re-elected by being seen as hard on crime. I don't think the general public has the time or intellect to handle the challenge.
 
My knee jerk reaction is the same but the reality is we could end up with a ton of wrongful convictions by judges that want to get re-elected by being seen as hard on crime. I don't think the general public has the time or intellect to handle the challenge.
This is one of the reasons why we definitely don't need to look to the American system, to try and fix what little is wrong with ours. We would only break our system more, not fix the issues that it currently has.
 
Little wrong with ours?

Seems you contradict yourself when you say not to look at America system when you’re comparing ours to theirs
 
Little wrong with ours?

Seems you contradict yourself when you say not to look at America system when you’re comparing ours to theirs
How am I contradicting myself? As previously stated our system has a markedly lower rate of recidivism than does theirs. Ours is less punitive than theirs. The comparison shows that a "tougher on crime" system is actually less effective and our needs to be tweaked a little, not moved in the direction of the US, which fails far too often. We need to deal better with repeat offenders, not "crack down" on all.
 
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