Some people with more money than sense decided they wanted a pool in their back yard near us. Reality set in once they were provided with options for different depths of the pool and excavation methods and cost. The deeper pool would have required blasting through underlying limestone. They ended up with a waist high wading pool which just looks dumb.
Some people with more money than sense decided they wanted a pool in their back yard near us. Reality set in once they were provided with options for different depths of the pool and excavation methods and cost. The deeper pool would have required blasting through underlying limestone. They ended up with a waist high wading pool which just looks dumb.
A guy I met put in an in-ground pool five feet deep everywhere and built a shelter over it. He firmly stated it was a SWIMMING pool, all or nothing. Not for posers.
He let some local lifeguard types use it to teach swimming not wading.
I feel more like typing so will discuss the mystery.
About a dozen years ago a competitor asked for my help in resolving an issue with a snow melting system he installed. Call him Kevin.
A homeowner with an existing system got Kevin's name somewhere and told him his driveway snow melting system stopped working. Keven gives him a price and gets the job to replace it. The pavers are lifted, the new cables installed and pavers replaced, all to industry standards. It snows and the new system doesn't work either.
The cables power up to the correct amperage at 240 volts but the snow doesn't melt, defying the laws of physics. No one including me or the manufacturer can find fault with the installation.
"Kevin" puts in boost transformers...nada. Kevin modifies the cables to increase power...nada
After about six years of piddling around the system starts working again without any new modifications.
A couple of years earlier, while on site scratching my head over the problem, I was admiring the McMansion next door. Then I went to streetview and back in time.
About the time the problem started the McMansion wasn't there. It was a dinky old house on a big lot in a prime location, McMansion wannabe.
I speculated the cause to be an underground spring that got diverted and water cooled the snow melting cables to the point they didn't couldn't do the job. I've only seen it once before at a freezer plant built on swampy ground. In the spring the frost barrier couldn't keep up, we figured for the same reason.
As GG suggests the McMansion could have been squeezing the water out of the new build and affecting the performance of any system. It's IMO more likely than the underground stream.
About Kevin.
When he got the original call he failed to consider that there were four cables in the driveway. Unless there was a catastrophic event, cables don't fail all at once.
I suspect that simple load or resistance test would have shown the original cables meeting spec. Instead the home owner paid five figures to replace the existing cables with new ones that didn't work. IMO the old cables were far superior to the new brand. Mercedes vs Lada.
Under paver heating coils don’t work when the ground is wet - very trick to get right. If the cables are wet, they evaporate moisture instead of transferring heat to pavers - evaporating water is an incredible heat sink.
Best method is pex/glycol. Much cheaper to install, much cheaper to operate.
If you’re really creative, you can also use the driveway as a solar pool heater in the summer - simple thermostat and diverter valve.
If I ever built a pool/deck (which is incredibly unlikely at this point), I would do that. Mainly to cool off the stones around the pool. On a full sun day, I need to hose down the stones as they are screaming hot. Once kids start splashing and running around, they keep the stones wet enough to keep temp down.
If I ever built a pool/deck (which is incredibly unlikely at this point), I would do that. Mainly to cool off the stones around the pool. On a full sun day, I need to hose down the stones as they are screaming hot. Once kids start splashing and running around, they keep the stones wet enough to keep temp down.
Have a look at the new Trex Suncomfortable , it’s a solar reflective product in the transcend line that is designed for pool areas and sun decks . Yes it works , it’s in my backyard . Yes it’s really expensive. As a former lumber trader you will never convince me to install a wooden deck again , I’ll stand on mud first .
Have a look at the new Trex Suncomfortable , it’s a solar reflective product in the transcend line that is designed for pool areas and sun decks . Yes it works , it’s in my backyard . Yes it’s really expensive. As a former lumber trader you will never convince me to install a wooden deck again , I’ll stand on mud first .
It’s hot, 3 kids and a dog roughed it up quickly. It got yanked up after sustaining terminal damage from high heels at one of my kids graduation parties.
I built a deck with tamarack last year, it’s my new favorite. I don’t mind spraying it once a rear.
Have a look at the new Trex Suncomfortable , it’s a solar reflective product in the transcend line that is designed for pool areas and sun decks . Yes it works , it’s in my backyard . Yes it’s really expensive. As a former lumber trader you will never convince me to install a wooden deck again , I’ll stand on mud first .
Back is not warm enough to get any heat from I have had the same idea as you before. Water cooled decking would be a great solar heater and keep the deck cool.
Under paver heating coils don’t work when the ground is wet - very trick to get right. If the cables are wet, they evaporate moisture instead of transferring heat to pavers - evaporating water is an incredible heat sink.
Best method is pex/glycol. Much cheaper to install, much cheaper to operate.
If you’re really creative, you can also use the driveway as a solar pool heater in the summer - simple thermostat and diverter valve.
High end Trex is vinyl encapsulation manufacture . Middle is as Steve said a pretty good insulator . The new solar reflective product is pretty amazing .
My original Trex deck from thirty years ago was total crap and grew mildew by the pound . It’s gotten better with every generation. I installed another last fall at this house , I like doing zero maintenance beyond a mop wash twice a summer
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