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LOL. My point is that a dual clutch transmission IS a manual and you still have full control. You just shift it with paddles instead of a gated lever. So if you miss that lever, that's personal preference.
You don't have full control.
You can't execute a 5-2 downshift while heel-toe rev-matching with a dual clutch. Sure, you can bang down 5-4-3-2 with the paddles, but it's not nearly as satisfying.
Try to drop two or three gears to pass on a DCT and tell me how awesome it is that you have full manual control :/
And slow. DCT is awesome for predictable gear changes but falls flat on it's face in your scenario. Getting from 5 to 2 probably takes most of a second with no power being delivered.
Your arguments work much better if they are attached to Koenigsegg's new flappy paddle gearbox (in the Jesko). That thing is awesome. Every gear gets a clutch so you can go from any gear to any other gear almost instantly. Nine speed, seven clutches.
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OK, I'll grant you that. Personally, I prefer to not have to so I can focus on other things during corner entry.
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CLICK CLICK CLICK done
Why bother driving a car? Just play Forza instead.
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What? Have you ever driven one? The first shift is instantaneous since it's already in that gear on the second clutch. The next ones happen in milliseconds.
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Because there's more to driving than shifting.
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Yup, Porsche's implementation is one of the best.
Yup. I have one. First shift is ~10 ms. If you want another one without waiting, >500 ms for the trans to shift, want another one without waiting, 500 ms again. As long as you shift, wait one second, shift, wait one second the changes happen quickly, but dropping two or more to take off is a miserable experience compared to a stick.
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OK, I'm going to concede here that some people are traditionalists and just don't want to grow. If you don't care about lowering your lap times, then we don't need to talk anymore. I buy my cars with the intent to use them on a track. Being able to driving them on the street is just a side benefit. I don't take my cars for drives just for fun. For that, I ride my bike.
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Do you have a Porsche?
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Or is it an Audi?
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Looks like you CAN skip gears after all, at least on the BMW M-transmissions: "Rapid downshifting: to accelerate rapidly, e.g. when passing, you can skip several gears in sequential mode. To do so, press the accelerator past the resistance point and pull the left shift paddle once or press the selector lever forward once. This provides maximum acceleration." This selects the lowest gear that does not exceed redline. I would think other manufacturers handle it similarly, but then again, as I keep mentioning, it really depends on what you're driving and how it's tuned.
ITT: Old people vs Young people.
Most people that are dying for a manual either aren't in the market to buy one of these high powered cars with a manual, will drive one and realize it isn't the best transmission for those cars, or the car won't be "pure" enough for them and they'll end up buying a used stripped out Miata. Out of any of the folks I know of with what I'd consider a "high performance car", 2 have manuals, the rest have some sort of Auto/DCT/Whatever. The "purists" will always find something on modern cars that isn't good enough (or they can't afford them in the first place); electric steering/general steering feel, weight, sound, etc. It's like the when FRS that doesn't sell that well because enthusiasts are waiting for it to come on the used market in a few years.
Most people that are dying for a manual either aren't in the market to buy one of these high powered cars with a manual, will drive one and realize it isn't the best transmission for those cars, or the car won't be "pure" enough for them and they'll end up buying a used stripped out Miata. Out of any of the folks I know of with what I'd consider a "high performance car", 2 have manuals, the rest have some sort of Auto/DCT/Whatever. The "purists" will always find something on modern cars that isn't good enough (or they can't afford them in the first place); electric steering/general steering feel, weight, sound, etc. It's like the when FRS that doesn't sell that well because enthusiasts are waiting for it to come on the used market in a few years.
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