Close call: video from the Toronto Sun

Sorry guys it's first thing in the morning. I'm taking aeronautics, I'm not retarded i swear. What I was getting at is that it's easy for things to get rather violently taken out of the bed, especially on our wonderfully maintained 400 series highways. You hit a bump, things come up, things go bye-bye. But having a matress sitting on top of the cab where the edge of it is getting pushed on is just ****ing stupid. Also, never driven with the gate down. If something's THAT big I don't bother moving it around on the highway.
 
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Macs said:
...Yes. Air flows over cab at high speed, air instantly drops into the bed and makes lift. It's also why you lose fuel economy with a pickup (engine aside). I really don't see how it's not common sense unless (and no offense intended) you didn't ever take middle school science.

Then again I guess being a car/truck/bike guy I just think about aerodynamics more than the average person...
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I'm at least as much of a car guy as you, trust me. I think you're underestimating the value of experience in establishing each of our level of common sense. I'm sure many of us have witnessed a mattress, strapped down to a roof, but that gets bent up 90 deg with the wind even at low highway speed. But the ones who don't witness it don't realise the force that wind has at that speed. And those who aren't car guys might not remember even if they had seen it.

If I had ever driven a pickup with pool noodles around town I probably would have seen them get tossed around and picked up by the wind, and then common sense would have kicked in before I hit the highway. But we still all need that first exposure to a situation before we can learn anything.

Aerodynamic theory is NOT common sense (as this thread is proving)!
 
Was leading a group ride 20+ thru the Muskokas a few years ago and had a similar experience.
Car towing a trailer over loaded with fire wood went over a bump and the back broke off and fire wood was flying all over the place.
Was amazing to see 20+ bikes swerving around so much firewood on a single lane road with really no place to go.
Couple bikes hit some logs with minimal damage but no one went down. I think I was the only injury being at the front when a log hit my leg and ankle, didn't notice till I got home I needed stitches on my ankle.
I now avoid cars/truck with any kind of load.
 
SANI-SAAB said:
Wrong tire track after 0:13 - he deserved it
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lol

you guys and your "tire tracks"

that is quite possibly the dumbest post ive read in a long time. the logic behind it also amazes me
 
silverbullet132 said:
Another close call vid, this one from the Philippines http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1c1_1353805770
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Good line in the turn - Rider was in the right tire track, he did not deserve it.

Tire track matters, why do you think 99% percent of the riders follow this concept of 'blocking position'. You don't want to be in the wrong track and have a car overtake you from behind; unneccesary risk of avoiding that can simply be done by being in the right tire track.
 
^^ How exactly does the blocking position, which is designed to not allow cars to share the lane with you can or cannot help with a totally random occurence such as a ****ING MATTRESS FLYING OUT OF A PICK UP TRUCK!?

go huff some more glue...
 
fastar1 said:
I'm at least as much of a car guy as you, trust me. I think you're underestimating the value of experience in establishing each of our level of common sense. I'm sure many of us have witnessed a mattress, strapped down to a roof, but that gets bent up 90 deg with the wind even at low highway speed. But the ones who don't witness it don't realise the force that wind has at that speed. And those who aren't car guys might not remember even if they had seen it.

If I had ever driven a pickup with pool noodles around town I probably would have seen them get tossed around and picked up by the wind, and then common sense would have kicked in before I hit the highway. But we still all need that first exposure to a situation before we can learn anything.

Aerodynamic theory is NOT common sense (as this thread is proving)!
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It is common sense to know that wind can lift/move objects. And the stronger the wind, the heavier the object that can be moved/lifted. Do you honestly believe that it's a coincidence that whenever there are 100km/h+ winds that TREES get uprooted? And if it's not a coincidence, then can you not deduce that if 100km/h wind can uproot a tree, then maybe it can lift a matress?

I can't remember who it was on this site, but one of their posts read "common sense is so uncommon it should be considered a f***ing superpower"....with which I agree.
 
Renboy said:
It is common sense to know that wind can lift/move objects. And the stronger the wind, the heavier the object that can be moved/lifted. Do you honestly believe that it's a coincidence that whenever there are 100km/h+ winds that TREES get uprooted? And if it's not a coincidence, then can you not deduce that if 100km/h wind can uproot a tree, then maybe it can lift a matress?

I can't remember who it was on this site, but one of their posts read "common sense is so uncommon it should be considered a f***ing superpower"....with which I agree.
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Common sense isn't something we're born with, it comes from experience. On that I think we can agree.

Where we disagree is what counts as experience when it comes to learning about the powerful updrafts created in the bed of a pickup truck when it's at speed. Seeing trees getting uprooted by the wind does not inform me in any way about those aerodynamic forces. In fact you seem to believe that the same forces are at play, when in fact uprooted trees aren't even pulled up by the effect of the wind at all, they're just knocked over and they pull their roots up with them as they go down.

Just further evidence that it's not common sense.
 
Anyone that NEEDS to experience wind in the back of a pickup before they realize it exists is completely devoid of any sense. What, after the wind hits the front of the truck it completely disappears? Whether it's a pickup or a smart car, anything moving at 100km/h+ will cause turbulance. I can understand needing experience to know at what speed the turbulance will pick up certain objects, but to know that turbulance will be there, that SHOULD BE common sense.
 
Renboy said:
Anyone that NEEDS to experience wind in the back of a pickup before they realize it exists is completely devoid of any sense. What, after the wind hits the front of the truck it completely disappears? Whether it's a pickup or a smart car, anything moving at 100km/h+ will cause turbulance. I can understand needing experience to know at what speed the turbulance will pick up certain objects, but to know that turbulance will be there, that SHOULD BE common sense.
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I've seen turbulence around buildings. It would collect leaves and debris in a neat little pile, not toss them up into the air. What common sense lesson should I derive from that?

Anyways, in another thread someone was complaining that about laws that aren't common sense. Here, you're trying to argue that aerodynamics are common sense. I think people have largely lost the meaning of the term.

Next thing will be what, common sense surgery procedures? Common sense deep sea exploration? Common sense fiscal management? Oh yeah, we already hear about that one all the time. All those fancy-pants business schools are making a killing off of something that should be plain common sense.
 
A few weeks ago I was behind a pick up truck and a pillow flew out of his trunk and right into my front wheel, thankfully nothing happened. A big rug was next in line to fly out but I accelerated and let the driver know he was spilling crap on the road.
 
fastar1 said:
I've seen turbulence around buildings. It would collect leaves and debris in a neat little pile, not toss them up into the air. What common sense lesson should I derive from that?
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Was that wind going over 100km/h?

fastar1 said:
Anyways, in another thread someone was complaining that about laws that aren't common sense. Here, you're trying to argue that aerodynamics are common sense. I think people have largely lost the meaning of the term.

Next thing will be what, common sense surgery procedures? Common sense deep sea exploration? Common sense fiscal management? Oh yeah, we already hear about that one all the time. All those fancy-pants business schools are making a killing off of something that should be plain common sense.
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I truely hope for your sake you're at least book smart.
 
Renboy said:
Was that wind going over 100km/h?
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You realise that common sense is only derived from common experiences, right? Unless you think we're born with common sense, why don't you specify what exactly this common experience would be that should inform people that their stuff will go flying out the back of a pickup bed at speed. 100km/h winds is NOT it.

I truely hope for your sake you're at least book smart.
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No, but thanks for your concern. I'm doing alright.
 
SANI-SAAB said:
Wrong tire track after 0:13 - he deserved it
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You're kidding right? He "deserved" it? And you didn't notice the black pickup truck get closer to the lane divider at 0:12?

fastar1 said:
Anyways I did the same thing once with pool noodles in the back of a pickup. Learned my lesson. Dunno how we're supposed to learn otherwise, it's not like this is taught when we get our licenses.
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If you don't know how to secure cargo, don't do it on your own. The road is not your testing grounds! And it's not the ministry's responsibility to teach you once you get your license, it's YOUR responsibility to learn.
 
fastar1 said:
You realise that common sense is only derived from common experiences, right? Unless you think we're born with common sense, why don't you specify what exactly this common experience would be that should inform people that their stuff will go flying out the back of a pickup bed at speed. 100km/h winds is NOT it.
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Many people do witness similar "common experiences", the problem is that some people don't learn from them while others do.
 
EngineerJoe said:
You're kidding right? He "deserved" it? And you didn't notice the black pickup truck get closer to the lane divider at 0:12?


If you don't know how to secure cargo, don't do it on your own. The road is not your testing grounds! And it's not the ministry's responsibility to teach you once you get your license, it's YOUR responsibility to learn.
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Oh I know, I'm not trying to blame anyone else and wouldn't want it to be any kind of mandatory training. Just saying the common sense argument doesn't hold water. 90% of pickups have stuff that isn't strapped down and that don't cause a problem.
 
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