Now address the rest of what he said lol. What is this, pick n chus?
As someone who works for FedEx the process is and will be completely different to what CP is proposing.
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As someone who works for FedEx the process is and will be completely different to what CP is proposing.
I can't say anything about the 'on the ground' issues they may have during implementation... I'm sure they will be some.
As for 75 employees choosing their routes every morning.. Is that how it works now? The carriers choose their routes daily? If not, why would that happen if DR is implemented?
sburns
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LC's are assigned or get to pick routes based on seniority. Once they have a route they stay on it until they choose to pick another one.
I doubt dynamic routing will happen. There isn't enough sophistication on CP to handle this. They could completely separate lettermail from packages.
I doubt dynamic routing will happen. There isn't enough sophistication on CP to handle this. They could completely separate lettermail from packages.
BigEvilDoer
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Again, it works for PARCELS.
NOT for mail.
BigEvilDoer
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Not allowed unless you’re on a medical disability plan at Canada Post.
All about the “Sanctity and Security of the Mail.” - Basically, if you leave the cart on the sidewalk and deliver mail to a house, you’re opening yourself up to be fired due to “abandoning the mail.”
With all the crap going on for negotiations, CP has been looking for any excuse to fire posties on the spot.
If you have a 2 panel community mailbox and the postie opens both, a supervisor will immediately put you on a 1 week suspension without pay if they see this situation. If it’s your second offense, you’re fired. Plain and simple.
Why? Because, “what if someone assaults you when you have 2 panels open? You’ve given them access to a bunch of mail - you’ve broken security!”
BigEvilDoer
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The only posties that “choose” their routes daily are “Relief Letter Carriers” and “Casuals” (if they get called).
If a regular route owner needs to take time off or call in sick, their route or part of it goes up on a staffing board.
The relief and casuals choose from the board according to seniority.
All other routes have “owners” - you do the same route every day if you are officially assigned to it.
For Dynamic Routing - the people with highest seniority get to choose which route they want to deliver on a daily basis. If they feel 1 route is shorter than the rest or if they are more familiar with one or another, they may take those.
Each route would need to be published to the membership every single day to give them enough time to review the routes for the day.
Again, the sorting would be a mess. People get used to where things are in the sorting case. You know that Alpha Street is here, Gamma Road is there, Theta Avenue is here.
Each row of the case has an address bar. Every single day the address bars would need to change.
Huge time commitments to make these changes on a daily basis - how long will it take to print the new strips up each day, insert them into the cases and the extra time it takes to sort the mail because things are shifted around in the case, especially with a fully mobile route that has 3 case wings with complete “flip” address strips.
BigEvilDoer
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Easy Peasy.
You deliver parcels. One route is heavier than another, you get some of it. No biggie. You drive a little more and done deal.
Now consider letter mail.
You’re walking around on foot. Let’s say you have a heavier day. You’re hitting 2/3 houses. Then you hit a section of another route that’s been tacked on to you. You have no idea of how this other route flows, where the mail boxes are etc etc (seriously, it’s an issue.. mailbox at the front? An old milk box delivery slot in the garage? On a post on the fence? Who the hell knows…
Then it comes to junk mail preparation. You will never know how many sets you need to put together. What if the section added to your route is a different postal code? They may get completely different flyers to what the main route you’re on gets.
There’s just so many variables that can’t be accommodated for.
Mad Mike
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You should tell my superbox carrier. He opens all of them, shoots in the mail, then closes them.
So does ours and he has about 10 boxes. He's done it that way for years.
A lot of what I'm reading here underscores to need to move residential service to 100% community mail boxes ASAP.
The other thing is that mail service is provided across the globe in all 1st world countries. What country is recognized as having the most effective and efficient mail service and what can we learn from them vs. reinventing the wheel by ourselves in isolation.
As an FYI Infographic: The World's Best Postal Services
The other thing is that mail service is provided across the globe in all 1st world countries. What country is recognized as having the most effective and efficient mail service and what can we learn from them vs. reinventing the wheel by ourselves in isolation.
As an FYI Infographic: The World's Best Postal Services
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BigEvilDoer
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Not my job to do that. That's a supervisor's position.
The postie is taking a huge risk of unemployment by doing this.
Some depots are much more rigid than others. My depot gives a 1 week long suspension on the spot, and if it happens again you're out the door.
Mikedezo44
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saw this yesterday where man waited for postal worker too lazy to deliver.
Mmmmmmm...
I suspect what happened here was that it was attempted the day before and then brought to retail post office for pickup but the slip was not left on that day. So the postie was going to deliver 'the slip' on this attempt. No other real reason why it would not be in the truck, since delivering the pkgs to retail post office is typically an end of day activity.
Dirty Frank
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From my experiences with parcels and Canada Post the package was never in the truck it was directed to the depot and the carrier had the slip already printed when they started their route.
I would have to say that that is their SOP for parcels.
Curious, what experience is that?
I did and still work for CP and I've seen first hand how lazy they are about delivering items, they 'assume' you are not home so why bother. This goes double for C.O.D. items, they will scan it as 'attempted' and then maybe deliver the slip, this is when they get caught by the resident (as per the video). Or they don't bother and fill out the slip when they get back to the depot. The slip then goes out with the mail the next day.
I don't think LCs can get away with scanning stuff in depot as attempted, it needs to go on the truck first and out for delivery. The package would also then spend the entire day in the carts for pickup to the retail post offices..major red flag since the supervisors walk the floors. They should be empty at 10am.
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Dirty Frank
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Experiences like having the slips left on the door of my open business, only very small packages would ever get delivered and even with the small ones it would be hit and miss.
At my home while standing at the door having slips stuck on the box would be another.
The worst part of the deal is that the usual spot that i have to pick up the packages is in a rexall with poor service that makes the pick up a minimum 15 minute waste of time.
sburns
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CP lacks a lot of consistency, and all it takes is 1 LC to abuse stuff like this. Say a LC didn't feel like delivering all the mail, or packages. Packages are left at the "pickup" depot (think shoppers etc) and a slip is created. Now who knows if the slip is going to be delivered, maybe it gets placed back into the lettermail and returned back to the main depot. Next day the slip might be delivered. The small packages are part of lettermail which might explain why you got those (plus slip) and not larger package.
Sure, I can see all that going down. I'm just clarifying that almost certainly the pkgs were in the truck, the courier was just being lazy.
CP is in a somewhat different position than a factory.
Wally at Widgets Inc is expected to make 100 widgets a day because that's how many they sell on average, over a year. On a slow sales week the excess goes into the warehouse to be on hand when sales boom.
Peter the Postie letter carrier is expected to deliver on average 100 units of mail per day. Can he warehouse anything in excess of 100 units?
If it's a slow week and he only has 60 units, can he take the rest of the day off with pay but work overtime free when it's a busy day?
A fair compromise is a blend of pay balances, including cheaper part time workers when needed. Part timers need to be vetted as well, throwing another variable into the blend. End user expectations coupled with market changes makes the subject a grenade with the pin pulled.
Wally at Widgets Inc is expected to make 100 widgets a day because that's how many they sell on average, over a year. On a slow sales week the excess goes into the warehouse to be on hand when sales boom.
Peter the Postie letter carrier is expected to deliver on average 100 units of mail per day. Can he warehouse anything in excess of 100 units?
If it's a slow week and he only has 60 units, can he take the rest of the day off with pay but work overtime free when it's a busy day?
A fair compromise is a blend of pay balances, including cheaper part time workers when needed. Part timers need to be vetted as well, throwing another variable into the blend. End user expectations coupled with market changes makes the subject a grenade with the pin pulled.
It sounds like binding arbitration may be the next step. It is helpful for compromising but completely inadequate to explode and restructure the entire operation. Another punt at best.
I still hope Carney doesn't authorize another dumpster fire. Letting canada post go insolvent is probably the only way management and the union realize the party is over and the ship has sunk.
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As expected our garbage msm published the press releases provided to them without questioning or vetting. The release said union members overwhelmingly rejected the offer. The reality was apparently ~70%. That I'd a clear preference but in no world ever is that overwhelming. Msm needs to die as well. They just regurgitate propaganda with a false air of legitimacy.
