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Before you worked hard and were able to buy a house. Now the percentage amount of your income to the purchase has increased. Even though you are making less money. Wages should at least be on par with the cost of living not behind. It's not cost of living follows wages, it's wages following cost of living. Lower wages is not going to reduce the cost of living.
Public sector workers, like nurses , teachers, Canada Post workers, Police, do pay taxes, buy gas, grocery, pay property taxes, pay rent, send their kids to school. etc.
That's one of reason why Unions in the private sectors are so important. To protect jobs, pension, wages, benefits. Companies do have the money but choose not to share profit.
 
justride said:
Before you worked hard and were able to buy a house. Now the percentage amount of your income to the purchase has increased. Even though you are making less money. Wages should at least be on par with the cost of living not behind. It's not cost of living follows wages, it's wages following cost of living. Lower wages is not going to reduce the cost of living.
Public sector workers, like nurses , teachers, Canada Post workers, Police, do pay taxes, buy gas, grocery, pay property taxes, pay rent, send their kids to school. etc.
That's one of reason why Unions in the private sectors are so important. To protect jobs, pension, wages, benefits. Companies do have the money but choose not to share profit.
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I completely disagree. Rent/house prices will expand at least as fast as any median income growth. Similarly, loblaws charges what people will pay. More money in the economy means all costs go up. If you think differently, I respect your view but think you're insane.

As far as ps workers paying taxes, of course they do. That is circular money though. It relies entirely on money coming from outside of the public sector to cover the net wages and insane total comp that has few parallels in private sector. Imo, Government jobs should be stable but pay below private sector equivalents to compensate for the stability provided. That is a sustainable model.

If you are still convinced in your model, think through the end game where there are few private sector jobs as taxes are so high to cover the bloated public sector that there are few willing or able to survive by working in the private sector. Kaboom. Obviously private sector will always be the way to go for high performers to turn effort and skill into money. Every year the Public sector incorporates more lazy wankers that want to be paid to do as little as possible and there is very little effort to change that direction.
 
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Wages are falling behind cost of living. Home affordabiltiy is becoming less and less.
Loblaws will charge as much as it can, and for less, why wouldn't it. For now, around the GTA there are hundreds maybe thousands of private companies that pay taxes, hire workers and make a profit.
Would it be ok if a private company doesn't want to give a decent wage because it doesn't want Loblaws to raise it's prices.
I think maybe the frustration comes where some people spending power is relys on other people making less. Mininum wage is going up but my wage hasn't. So I am going blame the guy on the bottom rather than my boss/company
Stabiltiy is great but it has to go along side a decent wage to pay my rent.
Less public workers will equal less public service. Longer wait time at hospital, slower response time from EMT, bigger class rooms, higher hosptil payment, less librarys. Teacher are paid a decent wage because we want the best for the kids. Being a letter carrier is not as easy as it seems, I am not joking you can get seriously injured.
 
justride said:
Far I as I know CUPW is not against part time workers. In terms of union dues CUPW collects the same fee for full time, parttime and on call.
CUPW is only against parttime work if there are full time work avaviable. ie. You are part time worker but getting 40hrs of work for long time period but are not guaranteed 40hrs. Whick causes income/jjob insecurity. Canada Post does provide benefits for part-time workers (mininum 24hrs).
Just thinking outloud , not sure how if the parttimer works Saturday and Sunday it would only be 16hrs so that might lead forced overtime which the Union is against.

Another big issuse is called dynamic routing which Canada Post Inc wants to implement. You have check CUPW and Canada Post Inc website to get the details.
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CUPW was fighting to have the weekend deliveries and work done by full timers.. at the overtime pay rate. The proper balance would be FT workers working the weekend at regular pay and taking their days off during the week with a few PT floaters.. like a lot of other places do. That should have been a no-brainer years ago.

Dynamic routing is standard practise... The union doesn't like it because it will mean some lost jobs. CP can't afford to pay people to sit around because they finished their route early.. while others work over time to finish theirs. Dynamic routing will balance the workloads out and allow CP to cut the unnecessary employees.
 
justride said:
Before you worked hard and were able to buy a house. Now the percentage amount of your income to the purchase has increased. Even though you are making less money. Wages should at least be on par with the cost of living not behind. It's not cost of living follows wages, it's wages following cost of living. Lower wages is not going to reduce the cost of living.
Public sector workers, like nurses , teachers, Canada Post workers, Police, do pay taxes, buy gas, grocery, pay property taxes, pay rent, send their kids to school. etc.
That's one of reason why Unions in the private sectors are so important. To protect jobs, pension, wages, benefits. Companies do have the money but choose not to share profit.
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CP is somewhat unique in that technology has made its self-sustainability impossible in today's economy. It also happens in the private sector as in Block Buster Video. Every mall had a Singer Sewing Centre before it became cheaper to buy a piece of clothing than make it.

I'm a Luddite at heart but paying a snail mail bill probably would cost me $5.00 with paper billing, mail and cheque fees. Instead, it costs me click click but I want five-day door delivery and not at $5.00 a stamp. I hate super mailboxes due to the break-ins. Every stolen piece of mail has the potential of breaching your security.

Something has to be done for remote communities, but the urban world has to face reality. Even super mailboxes are doomed.

Union elections are similar to governmental ones. No one gets elected if they say the ship is sinking. CP has been taking on water for too long and it's time to beach it before it sinks in deep water.
 
The routes were/are designed by Canada Post. Who wouldn't fight if you had to work the weekends and have Tuesday and Thursday off. Maybe the next week your days off will be Monday and Friday.
Standard lettermail is $1.25. Sending a hand written letter is so much personal. Just saying lol!
 
justride said:
The routes were/are designed by Canada Post. Who wouldn't fight if you had to work the weekends and have Tuesday and Thursday off. Maybe the next week your days off will be Monday and Friday.
Standard lettermail is $1.25. Sending a hand written letter is so much personal. Just saying lol!
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I miss a friend's handwritten Christmas cards, written with a fountain pen. I also miss real donuts from the defunct Primrose Bakery and fresh from the garden beefsteak tomatoes.
 
justride said:
The routes were/are designed by Canada Post. Who wouldn't fight if you had to work the weekends and have Tuesday and Thursday off. Maybe the next week your days off will be Monday and Friday.
Standard lettermail is $1.25. Sending a hand written letter is so much personal. Just saying lol!
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People that want to keep their FT jobs at CP. Again.. standard practise at other companies. The days off don't change from week to week. In a lot cases.. the days off are Friday and Saturday.. or Sunday and Monday.
 
justride said:
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Less public workers will equal less public service. Longer wait time at hospital, slower response time from EMT, bigger class rooms, higher hosptil payment, less librarys. Teacher are paid a decent wage because we want the best for the kids. Being a letter carrier is not as easy as it seems, I am not joking you can get seriously injured.
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Not exactly. Public workers should be doing jobs that the private sector can not do, and they should not be in competion with the private sector.

There is a correlation between things like the cost of teachers and classroom size…

As for hard work, that’s just a part of any job. Carrying letters is for certain a physically demandingjob, but I don’t think it’s high on the list of dangerous jobs.

I think the crux of the postal dispute lies in the union setting expectations that govt workers deserve better compensation and lower productivity expectations than their private sector counterparts, and CPC looking for a levelling of the playing field.
 
Mad Mike said:
Not exactly. Public workers should be doing jobs that the private sector can not do, and they should not be in competion with the private sector.

There is a correlation between things like the cost of teachers and classroom size…

As for hard work, that’s just a part of any job. Carrying letters is for certain a physically demandingjob, but I don’t think it’s high on the list of dangerous jobs.

I think the crux of the postal dispute lies in the union setting expectations that govt workers deserve better compensation and lower productivity expectations than their private sector counterparts, and CPC looking for a levelling of the playing field.
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If the mail sacks are too heavy the letter carriers could be given donkeys to carry the loads. CP and union managers could be reassigned to the positions.
 
raginduck said:
Dynamic routing is standard practise... The union doesn't like it because it will mean some lost jobs. CP can't afford to pay people to sit around because they finished their route early.. while others work over time to finish theirs. Dynamic routing will balance the workloads out and allow CP to cut the unnecessary employees.
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Standard practice?
Seriously?
It shows how little you know of the postal system.
Yes, it is standard for parcel delivery companies like UPS, Purolator etc.

Making it work for door-to-door delivery is another issue completely. The manual Sortation of mail will be a mess - your sorting cases will change on a daily basis for every single route.

So, lets say tomorrow you get A street, but lose Z street, and gain B street on your “flip” of the case. A flip happens when your sorting cases doesn’t have enough address slots available. The right most wing of your case has the addresses flip over to reveal more addresses.

It’s simply going to be an ugly mess, not to mention they want to make it so that it goes by seniority.
How long does it take for 75 posties to choose which route they want every morning? Any time savings are now gone due to the “bidding” process.
 
Evoex said:
I think we need @BigEvilDoer to chime in on how SSD has been going in Guelph.
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SSD was being implemented - the second restructuring in under 2 years (at a cost of about $250,000 per restructure) but then was cancelled due to CUPW pushback. Guelph already has top 5% overtime hours in all of Canada due to their last restructuring - routes made longer due to others being cut out completely).

One of the supervisors from my home city (a SSD - Separate Sort and Delivery — posties don’t sort their own mail anymore, just parcels and junk mail) is involved in the current RSMC (Rurual and Suburban Mail Carrier) restructuring in Guelph. He tells me SSD is an absolutely terrible idea for any of the foot walks. It works for mobile routes, but that’s about it. This coming from an upper middle-management supervisor.
 
BigEvilDoer said:
Standard practice?
Seriously?
It shows how little you know of the postal system.
Yes, it is standard for parcel delivery companies like UPS, Purolator etc.

Making it work for door-to-door delivery is another issue completely. The manual Sortation of mail will be a mess - your sorting cases will change on a daily basis for every single route.

So, lets say tomorrow you get A street, but lose Z street, and gain B street on your “flip” of the case. A flip happens when your sorting cases doesn’t have enough address slots available. The right most wing of your case has the addresses flip over to reveal more addresses.

It’s simply going to be an ugly mess, not to mention they want to make it so that it goes by seniority.
How long does it take for 75 posties to choose which route they want every morning? Any time savings are now gone due to the “bidding” process.
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You just repeated what I said..
Dynamic routing is standard practise in the industry. UPS, Puro, Intercom, Amazon, Ecom.. and every other delivery company and gig carrier.
Canada Post should have implemented it years ago..
 
nobbie48 said:
If the mail sacks are too heavy the letter carriers could be given donkeys to carry the loads. CP and union managers could be reassigned to the positions.
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LOL. Joking aside I know in movies and on TV we see USPS workers using small carts to carry mail. Over the years I can"t ever recall seeing a CP letter carrier using a cart.

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USPS mail delivery carts, also known as satchel carts, are used by letter carriers to transport mail, especially on foot routes. These carts are typically equipped with four wheels, a collapsible handle, and front wheel brakes, often featuring a dark blue fabric mailbag. Some models have additional features like multiple wire baskets or steel tubs for secure storage.

Above aside, residential home delivery should be phased out and replaced by community mail boxes wherever possible.
 
ReSTored said:
LOL. Joking aside I know in movies and on TV we see USPS workers using small carts to carry mail. Over the years I can"t ever recall seeing a CP letter carrier using a cart.

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USPS mail delivery carts, also known as satchel carts, are used by letter carriers to transport mail, especially on foot routes. These carts are typically equipped with four wheels, a collapsible handle, and front wheel brakes, often featuring a dark blue fabric mailbag. Some models have additional features like multiple wire baskets or steel tubs for secure storage.

Above aside, residential home delivery should be phased out and replaced by community mail boxes wherever possible.
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They have them. Almost practically no one uses them. You are required to bring it with you everywhere. Most routes have too many stairs/walk through apartments or ridiculous inclines to make it viable.

Being caught without it next to you is an instant interview (write up).
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