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We are getting a lot of Bukh engines here now as repower projects since they are quite reasonable compared to Yanmar or John Deere marine , way more reliable and affordable than anything Volvo and Perkins / westerbeke seem to be vintage pieces . Bonus is they seem to also be designed for anyone to work on it , not an engineer/plumber/ electrical genius .
My guess is typo on age ,style and being a pilot boat makes it look post wwll , my thought is that Bukh is a replacement, it was almost certainly a gas unit of some kind earlier , being a pilot boat they would have needed way more than ten kts to pace and chase a freighter coming in or out. I like wood boats but I’m not touching that thing for free , seventy yrs of rot is outside my scope or budget .


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I used to work for Perkins 50+ years ago. They sold a lot of engines to the Lake Erie fishing fleet. Now IIRC they're owned by Cat.

That boat has nice hull lines but the cabin is a plywood shack. It's hard to get good lines on a boat under 30 feet if you want headroom below.

It reminds me of a line by Dolly Parton when being interviewed. "It takes a lot of money to look this trashy."
 
Since it's not worth starting a Bad Boaters of Ontario thread, here is a moron in a blowboat in port stanley. Tried to beat the bridge and failed. Bridge starts dropping at 2:20, boat enters the gap at 2:53.

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Bit of history parked in the inlet
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An interesting project for someone. Down at the heel at the moment
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An interesting project for someone. Down at the heel at the moment
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If you paid zero, you're probably overpaying imo. No mention of sails in ad. Seller promotes the rarity as a plus. Only 5 in the world is a huge minus for a cheap boat. For cheap, I want thousands in the fleet so parts and knowledge are plentiful.
 
Got in over his head likely?
 
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If you paid zero, you're probably overpaying imo. No mention of sails in ad. Seller promotes the rarity as a plus. Only 5 in the world is a huge minus for a cheap boat. For cheap, I want thousands in the fleet so parts and knowledge are plentiful.
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I don't know if the ratios have changed but the hull and deck of a boat only represented 25% of the value. 75% of the value is power, rigging, deck stuff etc. Then there's the rebuilding labour.
 
In its day it probably was nice , now it’s a floating liability. The “encapsulated keel” is marketing term for a full keel that was built into the mold then filled with concrete or lead scraps and capped inside , it’s not better . Five was probably the initial commitment to get a production run and that’s all they sold . A great design is the Valiant ( Bob Perry ) or the Alberg ( Karl alberg) where they sold hundreds .
From the photos I’d guess thirty k to get it moving fifty to make it nice ish . Tow it to shore and introduce it to a chain saw before it sinks at the mooring.


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One of the coolest Muskoka boat houses. Ballers only. Enclosed boat houses for your blowboats. I'm surprised how short they are, 19-24' masts are not very big (but they probably were in 1935 when they were made of trees).

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I was offered this today , not the crap covette the Chris Craft forty two sitting behind it . All the parts are there , twin Chrysler five forty’s that were running when parked nine yrs ago. Hull is solid , interior shot. I’ll guess a hundred would get it floating , two hundred to make it ok. Wife says soak my head in a bucket . I kinda like it and I need a project .


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crankcall said:
I was offered this today , not the crap covette the Chris Craft forty two sitting behind it . All the parts are there , twin Chrysler five forty’s that were running when parked nine yrs ago. Hull is solid , interior shot. I’ll guess a hundred would get it floating , two hundred to make it ok. Wife says soak my head in a bucket . I kinda like it and I need a project .
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Hey, just start a YouTube channel like Tally-Ho, pick up half a million subscribers and a bunch of Patreon patrons, and you might only be down one hundred by the time you're done...
 
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Hey, just start a YouTube channel like Tally-Ho, pick up half a million subscribers and a bunch of Patreon patrons, and you might only be down one hundred by the time you're done...
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Or up to 300. It's hard to burn money and time faster than with a big wooden boat. A friends dad had one in his backyard. He spent a lot of money and a lot of time on it but in the end, it was rotting faster than he could find tradesmen hours to repair it. Realistically, it would have been a full-time job for a competent tradesmen for multiple years. He couldn't find anyone with the required skill willing to put that much time into it. He had some good people but they liked to work on it for a bit and then work on other projects.
 
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If this goes forward we have space at my company yard in Caledonia (28acres) and a barn will go over it . Wood is almost free in a lumberyard lol. We will see if the engines turn over before moving it , otherwise it’s 20k per side and we are done before we start . Wife is threatening it better be nice enough to live in as is …..


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If this goes forward we have space at my company yard in Caledonia (28acres) and a barn will go over it . Wood is almost free in a lumberyard lol. We will see if the engines turn over before moving it , otherwise it’s 20k per side and we are done before we start . Wife is threatening it better be nice enough to live in as is …..


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The engines in that scow are worth a few bucks. 540s were not OE motors, they were repower units made mostly by stroking a Chrysler 440B marinized engine with wedge heads and using Crusader cooling systems. They make 600-750hp in marine configurations. There are also 540's made from GM454 blocks, but that's not as common in 60-70's boats and not worth as much.

They are expensive collectable motors if they are Chryslers (not so much for GM 540s) If you can get them running, a pair could be worth up to $20K US, even more if they are Keith Black builds.

They can be removed from a wood boat in about 10 minutes with a good chainsaw.

I can BAT.
 
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I was offered this today , not the crap covette the Chris Craft forty two sitting behind it . All the parts are there , twin Chrysler five forty’s that were running when parked nine yrs ago. Hull is solid , interior shot. I’ll guess a hundred would get it floating , two hundred to make it ok. Wife says soak my head in a bucket . I kinda like it and I need a project .


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I used to hang around Port Credit Marina when the Bruce Roberts DIY was a bit of a craze. The number of boats that never got finished was substantial. The number of half finished boats that anyone wanted was dismal .

When the promise was a big boat for $10,000 in six months became $50,000 in three years with no launch date in sight**, marriages got testy.

Wife says it's me or the boat.

Option 1) Pick the boat and add divorce costs to the mess keeping in mind that financially sinks the boat. Not a win.

Option 2) Pick the wife and scrap the boat. Storage costs for the project over the time it will take to sell makes scrapping the better option.

Then in the future whenever you see a nice boat you think or say, "I could have had one like that if it wasn't for you." Not a win.

** Bruce Roberts may have designed the Eglinton Cross Town.
 
Wow. I remember the Bruce Roberts kit boats , buy the poorly made hull and then Home Depot the rest . Lot of interesting interpretations of seaworthy. Even when finished and floating they were still not an elegant product. Occasionally pop up for sale , at bargain prices .


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Wow. I remember the Bruce Roberts kit boats , buy the poorly made hull and then Home Depot the rest . Lot of interesting interpretations of seaworthy. Even when finished and floating they were still not an elegant product. Occasionally pop up for sale , at bargain prices .


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These were just plans. Build in fiberglass, ferrocement, wood epoxy, steel. FWIW, finishing a FG hull was four square feet per hour for a workboat or four hours per square foot for a yacht finish. Fitting out tips included a telephone pole for a mast, truck differential for steering gear.

I know of one or two that came out looking OK but build times were in the decades. One builder commented that the longer a project takes the lower the standards become.

Tip: If you're thinking of building a big boat, you're going to need a dinghy. Build it first. What you learn from building it will pay off in spades when you start working on the pride of the fleet. You might learn you don't want to build a big one.
 
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