Apparently it's 100% legal to have Body Armour

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RockerGuy said:
What about an AN 94? DROPS 2 shots before recoil is even felt. Meaning 2 shots would land in the exact spot. First one weakens armour, 2nd penetrates. Bye bye armour
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In all cases the plate was taking multiple hits in the same spot. Even the fragmentation was contained by the coating on AR-500.
 
chiefswallow said:
My cop friend used to give me their expired vests for "target practice" at the range. In the courtroom they hung up one of my target practice vests on one of those xray light box viewing things. They clicked the switch on, huge gasp from the courtroom as the light shone through the vest like swiss cheese. The judge asked the RCMP officer "Sir, what guns did he own that could do THAT to a bullet proof vest?!??" ... the RCMP officer flips through the two or three pages of guns that were seized from my residence... "Well your honour, it would be quicker for me to read you the guns he owned that COULDN'T do that to a bullet proof vest!!" the courtroom erupts, the judge smashes her binder down on the desk. BAIL, DENIED.
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This is why we need to arm our good officers properly. They need the edge over the public. Who knows when some dick swinger will put on a bullet proof vest and terrorize the city. I think our cops should have RPGs to blast these fuckers out of orbit. This way we won't have urbanites crying cops should have shot in the leg, tazered... tickled the assailant. Blast them to bits and forget about them.
 
D23 said:
Worth a double points score in COD when powning noobs?

5.45X39 is a lower lvl threat then what L4 plate can take multiple hits from. It's also a poor round as far as in flight stabalization goes so it hits it's target off it's center of flight line, meaning it's good for making a bigger hole in soft skinned people and and worse for going through their plates.

It's also (the AN 94) too expensive to ever see mass production and too unreliable to become a general service weapon. Russian SOF have a name for them.

дерьмо

Good way to go through twice as much ammo to make yourself combat ineffective though.
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All the guns in COD is fake right? :D
 
Stop RockerGuy'ing the thread!

:)
 
chiefswallow said:
My cop friend used to give me their expired vests for "target practice" at the range. In the courtroom they hung up one of my target practice vests on one of those xray light box viewing things. They clicked the switch on, huge gasp from the courtroom as the light shone through the vest like swiss cheese. The judge asked the RCMP officer "Sir, what guns did he own that could do THAT to a bullet proof vest?!??" ... the RCMP officer flips through the two or three pages of guns that were seized from my residence... "Well your honour, it would be quicker for me to read you the guns he owned that COULDN'T do that to a bullet proof vest!!" the courtroom erupts, the judge smashes her binder down on the desk. BAIL, DENIED.
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welcome back jamie

Macs said:
He was doing really well this time, I had no idea until now
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They always slip up
 
chiefswallow said:
Tell me about it :( .22LR high velocity 40 grain plated round nose would cut through any vest I tried (just didn't make big holes like the .308 steel core ammo did). 9mm never went through the vests, even the .45acp "cop killer" bullets wouldn't go through (left big dents in the plates though), but as you said, most rifles do! Even the fat 7.62x39 AK47 type rounds go through it like butter, such a nice "thump thump thump" from those rounds. Not sure I ever tried .223/5.56 on it.
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And now I'm wondering what the surplus 303 brit rounds I have would do...
 
D23 said:
L3+ will stop AK-47
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Even steel core? All of my 7.62x39 and .308 rounds were steel core, and the 7.62x39 in a CZ-858-2 (long barrel) sliced through level 3 no problem.

Not a good idea to use them indoors ;)

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D23 said:
LOL I remember the stupidity surround those. Winchester Black Talon. Were supposed to penetrate vests that would otherwise stop the same round of "normal" bullets. Had no effect on penetration whatsoever but they banned them anyway. Then, Winchester put the Supreme SXT on the market (joking called same xact thing) and nobody said a word. I suppose it was because S SXT wern't Black.
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lol. Was it the teflon coating that was supposed to let them "slip through" bullet proof armor?? The rounds I used for testing were MagTech Guardian Gold "Personal Protection Series" 45acp +P 230 grain. They hit HARD, insane recoil too :)

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skip said:
And now I'm wondering what the surplus 303 brit rounds I have would do...
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Pics and vids when you test :) All of my ammo was always steel core, so I'm not sure what the normal soft stuff would do.
 
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FiReSTaRT said:
The problem is that most laws are written by the ignorant for the ignorant without consulting those who know better.
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This is very true. Except the part about consulting experts (know better). Everybody consults experts. It's very lucrative to consult. The consultant will go to great lengths to befriend the consultee and his immediate family whether blended or real. There's a whole network at play here. It's up on a hill. And it doesn't cost the consultee a dime, it's all taxpayer money (giant pool of money).
So are the law writers really ignorant? I'd like to think they are. I can't prove it, of course, but the way things are going (downhill fast) these days I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't surprised AT ALL. Let's out low whistle.........
 
Macs said:
You play too much Battlefield 3.
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I just saw this post so I will elaborate on my previous post, lol. The AN94 and P90 was designed to pierce armour. It was featured in a few videogames, yes, but that doesn't change the true function of the gun. For reference, here is some reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN-94
http://world.guns.ru/assault/rus/an-94-abakan-e.html

Even the P90 which has such a small cartridge will penetrate level 3 armour (don't know how true that is):

One of the design intents for the standard 5.7×28mm cartridge type, the SS190, was that it have the ability to penetrate Kevlar protective vests—such as the NATO CRISAT vest—that will stop conventional pistol bullets.[SUP][23][/SUP] Fired from the P90, the 5.7×28mm SS190 has a muzzle velocity of roughly 716 m/s (2,350 ft/s) and is capable of penetrating the CRISAT vest at a range of 200 m (219 yd), or a Level IIIA Kevlar vest at the same range.[SUP][21][/SUP][SUP][23][/SUP] FN states an effective range of 200 m (219 yd) and a maximum range of 1,800 m (1,969 yd) for the 5.7×28mm cartridge when fired from the P90.[SUP][7][/SUP]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90

Yes, I know it's wikipedia, but if you can prove otherwise, I'll still believe it.
 
RockerGuy said:
I just saw this post so I will elaborate on my previous post, lol. The AN94 and P90 was designed to pierce armour. It was featured in a few videogames, yes, but that doesn't change the true function of the gun. For reference, here is some reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN-94
http://world.guns.ru/assault/rus/an-94-abakan-e.html

Even the P90 which has such a small cartridge will penetrate level 3 armour (don't know how true that is):


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90

Yes, I know it's wikipedia, but if you can prove otherwise, I'll still believe it.
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D23 just posted a YouTube video where Armor Piercing 30-06 was defeated multiple times. I own a PS90, I'm very familiar with the cartridge and yes it will defeat (easily) up to Level 3, but anything beyond will probably take the hits. I'm sure Jamie's tested this IRL.

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Macs said:
I own a PS90, I'm very familiar with the cartridge and yes it will defeat (easily) up to Level 3, but anything beyond will probably take the hits. I'm sure Jamie's tested this IRL.
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Which ammo are you using? SS196SR (red tip)? I was able to defeat level 3 when used in the PS90 with the full sized 16" barrel, but not with the super shorty 10.3" barrel. SS197SR (blue tip) was able to barely penetrate level 3 with the 10.3" barrel, went through with no problems with the 16" barrel.

Either round in the Five Seven pistol was unable to defeat even level 2 armour.
 
chiefswallow said:
Even steel core?
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Steel core is AP and requires L4. L3 stops 762x39 and 762x51 FMJ.

RockerGuy....

We are talking about L4 armour. You posted a link that's taking about 3A.

3A is rated lower than 3.

So yes, the P90 and AN94 will shoot through stuff rated to stop small caliber pistol rounds.

It won't shoot through stuff rated to stop 30-06 armour piercing rounds.

How could it? It doesn't have the velocity, the energy or the design.
 
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D23 said:
Steel core is AP and requires L4. L3 stops 762x39 and 762x51 FMJ.
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Ahhh, never knew steel core was classed as AP :) Did they use steel core way back in the day? All my corrosive milsurp rounds of 7.62x51 and 7.62x39 were always steel core!! I think the headstamps were always 1978?

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