Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

My situation exactly. 70k km on a paid off ICE vehicle, the math doesn't work.
No it doesn't at that point. My truck is almost at 200k and 12 yrs old, I was spending 5-600 month on gas. The truck will now be good for much longer as a farm truck occasional use. We now use the volt and equinox for most driving and fuel cost has gone to zero.

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Grey Ghost wrote More cost? 1000 km EV no more a reality today than a 2000 km EV. Both may appear at some point in the future but zero are available today.
I can order a BYG down the street FFS at any BYD dealership.

Denza confirms Z9GT electric grand tourer with 1000km range for Australia debut​

High-performance EV with ultra-fast charging and 1000km-plus claimed range due in showrooms from Q3.​

09 Apr 2026 9:16 AM
Set to arrive in the third quarter of 2026, the Z9GT will be showcased at the Melbourne Motor Show ahead of its local release. Pricing and final specifications are yet to be announced.

The Z9GT will be the first vehicle in Australia to use BYD’s next-generation Blade Battery 2.0 technology, paired with a new ultra-fast charging system. Denza claims the system can deliver significant range in minutes, with a 10 to 97 per cent recharge taking around nine minutes under ideal conditions using its high-capacity charging network.
 
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BYD is not Tesla when it comes to model deliveries. Point is, why buy a hybrid when ranges are so high and fast charging so quick.
Mind you the the BYD Hybrid ranges are nearly a single trip to Florida.
There is this too.....$
The 2026 BYD Atto 1 (also known as the Seagull) is currently the cheapest BYD car and cheapest EV in Australia, with prices starting from $23,990 plus on-road costs
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BYD outsells Tesla 10-to-1 in Australia as Chinese EVs dominate January sales BYD sold 5,001 vehicles in Australia in January, a staggering 641% increase year-over-year, while Tesla managed just 501, leaving the American automaker in 24th place as Chinese brands continue their takeover of the Australian EV market....9 Feb 2026
 
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People ordered cybertrucks too with iirc a range close to that. What showed up years later was very different. Until deliveries are happening, the ability to order is meaningless.

I also wait for real world evaluations before making final judgements

Caught too many Manufacturers make dubious claims all to be dismissed in real world testing.
 
Cybertrucks were a joke from the get go .... not a sensible marker. :rolleyes:
Waiting for real world reports does make sense.
China also uses a different set of metrics to monitor range claims.
EV range claims based on Chinese standards are predominantly measured using the China Light-Duty Vehicle Test Cycle (CLTC), which is known for being more optimistic than European (WLTP) or U.S. (EPA) standards. While Chinese automakers are now reporting record-breaking ranges of over 1,000 km, these figures are heavily influenced by the specific parameters of the CLTC cycle, which prioritizes city driving scenarios over high-speed highway driving
 
My Ultium's good for 450 km, an Equinox 500+ km. That's more than my bladder nowadays so it's good enough for me.

If you want to do Iron Butt-style runs, knock yourself out. Even when I had my 1200 km-range Jetta TDI, I had to stop periodically for food and bodily functions. So did the rest of the family. That time now is easily optimized with a charging event thrown in there.
 
My situation exactly. 70k km on a paid off ICE vehicle, the math doesn't work.
What's p***ing me of are the service costs with ICE.

How much of a dealership's profits come from new car sales, used car sales and service?

Service is a con game of "Protecting your investment" and minor service items at major prices. They wanted to charge mega bucks to change my cabin air filter and squirt some perfume on it.

With my car you don't even need tools. It's like changing a tape in a VCR.

I'm seeing regular service climb from a few hundred dollars to pushing a grand.

Service costs have skyrocketed compared to car prices.

Right to repair and difficulty to repair are big factors for the DIY types and even small shops. The software costs hammer them.

Changing a headlight, round or square, used to mean a trip to Canadian Tire, $20, a screwdriver and a few minutes time. Now the assembly has to be coded and it isn't $20. Standard OBDs don't work.

I'm seeing my ICE as a service cash cow and that is part of the dealership game.

1) You talk to the service advisor and sign for minor work. He doesn't look at anything but the keys and mileage.

2) The mechanic doesn't interface with the customer. The car owner isn't allowed into the shop, insurance reasons, to see if the belt is that badly worn etc. Recommendations are pushed and the car is on the hoist. Sign here and kiss your wallet goodbye.

If EVs don't require much service where do the dealers make up the lost profits?

Subscription fees can be healthy. A Tesla S with self drive is well over $100 a month.

My idea of an economy EV would be an early Corolla with an electric motor and battery. Our car averages 40 km per day over seven years. That could be done with lead acid if there weren't a mix of zero and 300 km days.

The most base vehicle today has standard features that would be considered high end options on a Cadillac 50 years ago.

I miss my 1970 Corolla. $4 fill up on premium and almost 50 MPG on an economy test.

There's a company here in Ontario that puts Tesla running gear into a donor car of your choice but you end up with an oddball at nearing Model S prices. Nice for an expensive hobby but not a daily driver. I'd go for an MGB EV or the 1970 Corolla.
My hair will grow back before that happens.

Adder: Like a custom M/C check for insurance rates first. They could shock you.
 
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Been seeing more of the IDBUZZ around recently so I thought I'd look into it...

Range is 60-90k for a new/demo unit...no thanks. Which is too bad because it's really growing on me and I'd consider it as a viable replacement for the Odyssey (regardless of how my wife feels about the look)...


EDIT: Look at how sexy that is with those wheels...

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I love the Buzz. Watched a ton of YT trip videos on it. I can totally see us in one when I retire. Dogs on the floor and gardening supplies in the back lol. Range isn't as much of an issue at that point. But even then who cares? I won't be in any rush.
 
I love the Buzz. Watched a ton of YT trip videos on it. I can totally see us in one when I retire. Dogs on the floor and gardening supplies in the back lol. Range isn't as much of an issue at that point. But even then who cares? I won't be in any rush.
I was seriously considering it for my wifes next vehicle. She'd love it. That was when price was ~50K. At the price they actually wanted once they became available, it's a hard no for me. There is no way it ever makes economic sense for us. Once they get old and depreciated, I'll think again but owning an old VW EV seems like a shortcut to financial ruin.
 
There are passenger versions of the PV5 in global markets. I don't know if we will get them, but IMO they would be crazy not to.

edit: Kia does have the EV9, but that's marketed as a more premium vehicle. Just checking now, starting price is $63k ... less than I thought it was. I know someone who has one, and paid quite a bit more, but I know theirs is AWD and one of the higher trim levels. I kinda have my eye on the PV5 because it's big enough to fit a motorcycle in the back. (Can't do that with the EV9.)
 
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