Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

What are the recommended service intervals with an EV and what needs doing?

Are there subscriptions. Self drive and internet are two on my buddy's Tesla S.

Where do the dealers make the day to day maintenance income typically extracted from ICE users?

My Bolt needs the gearbox oil changed at 150 000 km, and the coolant loops (3 of them) flushed at 5 years. That's the only scheduled maintenance related to powertrain. Tires, wiper blades, interior cabin filter, wheel bearings, suspension parts etc are same as any other car, except brakes last way longer. Mine is still on the original tires at 95 000 km minus whatever has been put on winter tires in the meantime (I've not kept track of that) and there's still something left on them, though this will probably be the last season.

The auto manufacturers are all trying to make money on subscription fees. I refuse to pay for OnStar, and the car works fine without it.
 
My Bolt needs the gearbox oil changed at 150 000 km, and the coolant loops (3 of them) flushed at 5 years. That's the only scheduled maintenance related to powertrain. Tires, wiper blades, interior cabin filter, wheel bearings, suspension parts etc are same as any other car, except brakes last way longer. Mine is still on the original tires at 95 000 km minus whatever has been put on winter tires in the meantime (I've not kept track of that) and there's still something left on them, though this will probably be the last season.

The auto manufacturers are all trying to make money on subscription fees. I refuse to pay for OnStar, and the car works fine without it.
Ours came with OnStar free for 8 years and it needs the OnStar for SuperCruise after that I don't know if I will bother.

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Both my Honda and KIA dealerships have recommended (made up) annual services for my Prologue and Niro. It's basically a bunch of visual checks and a battery condition check via ECM query. IIRC it's $350-450. Manufacturer-wise, it's a cabin air filter every two years and battery coolant every 10 (IIRC). The EV labour rate is also $50 more per hour at KIA, Honda I'm not sure ATM.

So, there may be some income supplement from EV owners by following dealerships recommending services that the manufacturer does not.

I have Goodyear all-weather tires on the Niro and Bridgestone Alenza A/S on the Prologue with a supplemental Winter set for the 4 months I use them down here. I haven't noticed any increased wear on them so far compared to previous ICE vehicles. I'm sure it would be different if I took full advantage of the ridiculous off-the-line torque they both offer but that's on rare occasion.

I know a workmate with a Tesla Model S has complained about tire life but I have no idea on his driving style..
 
With my Ford PHEV, I’ve encountered a bit of a challenge. I don’t trust oil life monitors and prefer to follow mileage/time intervals. At the same time, when 50% or more of your driving is electric, I figured I could track petro mileage and take things from there. Well, the trip meter maximum is 10k so, that put an end to that. And when I got to 10k, the oil life was still at 80% with about half of the 10k on petro.

Ford App has service intervals at 16k with various inspections and replace cabin filter if necessary. App suggests to change oil when 20% life remaining within 30 days.

I change the oil when swapping the winter tires etc well ahead of the oil life monitor. So, it gets done at least twice a year. 🤷‍♂️
 
With my Ford PHEV, I’ve encountered a bit of a challenge. I don’t trust oil life monitors and prefer to follow mileage/time intervals. At the same time, when 50% or more of your driving is electric, I figured I could track petro mileage and take things from there. Well, the trip meter maximum is 10k so, that put an end to that. And when I got to 10k, the oil life was still at 80% with about half of the 10k on petro.

Ford App has service intervals at 16k with various inspections and replace cabin filter if necessary. App suggests to change oil when 20% life remaining within 30 days.

I change the oil when swapping the winter tires etc well ahead of the oil life monitor. So, it gets done at least twice a year. 🤷‍♂️
Count tanks of fuel. Just keep a tally sheet in the car and put a mark on it when you fill up. Every x tanks, change the oil.
 
I found this info this morning. FWIW. I'm not seeing any accounting for carbon credit rebates for electricity consumed though, which should lower TCO, providing it stays around.

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Needing OnStar for supercruise is BS. That kind of tied service should be banned. If I buy a car with assists, they should keep working without me needing to constantly pay.
I try to compare that with my late mother's habit of gifting her senior friends copies of her latest cassette of Blue Spanish Eyes, transferred to a 99¢ Walmart blank.

Seniors refuse to see that they don't own the rights to copy. Ask them how they would feel about living in a commune where they could have stuff but anyone in the commune could use if free. If anyone, at any time, could walk into their yard and use their $5000 BBQ, or maybe swimming pool, invite their friends, would they be OK with it? Wouldn't they prefer someone else putting out the capital?

Copying Photoshop etc is similar but bigger numbers and better protected.

The car stuff is different in that the stuff is automatically installed at a relatively low cost. You own it. I don't think you need to return it to the manufacturer if you sell or scrap the car. You just can't use it without paying for their permission. Control modules screw you if you tamper.

I don't think a control module can tell if you're running a $40 aftermarket heated seat cushion but other options can only be run through the car's paid system.

MS Office is copy written but you can subscribe for ~$100 a year with full service or for double, buy it outright doing your own maintenance. Maintenance without the manual isn't easy and there is a subscription for the manual. Gotcha!

A mechanic friend refused to service Land Rover because he would only get one or two repairs a year and the subscription fees for the manuals couldn't be justified.

I'm reviewing my position on EV's as I see my ICE maintenance costs go up. My dealer moved to more posh surroundings and I'm getting more posh bills.

Range anxiety used to point me towards PHEV but having an ICE on board means more complexity. Electric motors, if not abused, last for decades as my 70 year old beer fridge and 60 year old freezer will testify.

PHEV, because it has an ICE, I am uncomfortable with oil sitting around being not being used enough. More hoses, fuel systems, wiring, sensors, filters and relays. It's not like a Briggs and Stratton lawn mower where you run it for years because replacement is a few hundred dollars.

Battery range is cured by attitude adjustment. Battery stability and complexity are more the issues for me. Can I get a replacement in ten years? Will the manufacturer support changes.

What are the realistic fire risks? Fire departments fill out incident reports so what are the numbers?
 
I try to compare that with my late mother's habit of gifting her senior friends copies of her latest cassette of Blue Spanish Eyes, transferred to a 99¢ Walmart blank.

Seniors refuse to see that they don't own the rights to copy. Ask them how they would feel about living in a commune where they could have stuff but anyone in the commune could use if free. If anyone, at any time, could walk into their yard and use their $5000 BBQ, or maybe swimming pool, invite their friends, would they be OK with it? Wouldn't they prefer someone else putting out the capital?

Copying Photoshop etc is similar but bigger numbers and better protected.

The car stuff is different in that the stuff is automatically installed at a relatively low cost. You own it. I don't think you need to return it to the manufacturer if you sell or scrap the car. You just can't use it without paying for their permission. Control modules screw you if you tamper.

I don't think a control module can tell if you're running a $40 aftermarket heated seat cushion but other options can only be run through the car's paid system.

MS Office is copy written but you can subscribe for ~$100 a year with full service or for double, buy it outright doing your own maintenance. Maintenance without the manual isn't easy and there is a subscription for the manual. Gotcha!

A mechanic friend refused to service Land Rover because he would only get one or two repairs a year and the subscription fees for the manuals couldn't be justified.

I'm reviewing my position on EV's as I see my ICE maintenance costs go up. My dealer moved to more posh surroundings and I'm getting more posh bills.

Range anxiety used to point me towards PHEV but having an ICE on board means more complexity. Electric motors, if not abused, last for decades as my 70 year old beer fridge and 60 year old freezer will testify.

PHEV, because it has an ICE, I am uncomfortable with oil sitting around being not being used enough. More hoses, fuel systems, wiring, sensors, filters and relays. It's not like a Briggs and Stratton lawn mower where you run it for years because replacement is a few hundred dollars.

Battery range is cured by attitude adjustment. Battery stability and complexity are more the issues for me. Can I get a replacement in ten years? Will the manufacturer support changes.

What are the realistic fire risks? Fire departments fill out incident reports so what are the numbers?
Fire risks are lower than ice cars. Personally we have a phev and a ev i much prefer the ev so far only one system to maintain or break.

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I found this info this morning. FWIW. I'm not seeing any accounting for carbon credit rebates for electricity consumed though, which should lower TCO, providing it stays around.

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My problem is that my present ICE is probably good for another four years before I have to get something new. The trade in value is pathetic so the energy cost savings don't outweigh the potential travel value. I'd have to add ~$35K to the pot to get one of the Equinox EVs to save ~$2K a year in fuel. The capital outlay could be invested and make about the same as the fuel savings.

Throwing the depreciation into the calculation changes the numbers as well. The depreciation curve on my present ride is flattening out. The Equinox is jumping off the cliff.
 
Battery range is cured by attitude adjustment.
technology curing range...I can go out and buy a 1000km range EV right now.
and 5 minute charging to 70%
Battery stability and complexity are more the issues for me. Can I get a replacement in ten years? Will the manufacturer support changes.
That's an unimaginable time frame given the pace of change in battery tech. Indications in new battery tech are that battery life will far outlast chassis.
What are the realistic fire risks?
Eliminating lithium takes fire risk to near zero
 
I try to compare that with my late mother's habit of gifting her senior friends copies of her latest cassette of Blue Spanish Eyes, transferred to a 99¢ Walmart blank.

Seniors refuse to see that they don't own the rights to copy. Ask them how they would feel about living in a commune where they could have stuff but anyone in the commune could use if free. If anyone, at any time, could walk into their yard and use their $5000 BBQ, or maybe swimming pool, invite their friends, would they be OK with it? Wouldn't they prefer someone else putting out the capital?

Copying Photoshop etc is similar but bigger numbers and better protected.

The car stuff is different in that the stuff is automatically installed at a relatively low cost. You own it. I don't think you need to return it to the manufacturer if you sell or scrap the car. You just can't use it without paying for their permission. Control modules screw you if you tamper.

I don't think a control module can tell if you're running a $40 aftermarket heated seat cushion but other options can only be run through the car's paid system.

MS Office is copy written but you can subscribe for ~$100 a year with full service or for double, buy it outright doing your own maintenance. Maintenance without the manual isn't easy and there is a subscription for the manual. Gotcha!

A mechanic friend refused to service Land Rover because he would only get one or two repairs a year and the subscription fees for the manuals couldn't be justified.

I'm reviewing my position on EV's as I see my ICE maintenance costs go up. My dealer moved to more posh surroundings and I'm getting more posh bills.

Range anxiety used to point me towards PHEV but having an ICE on board means more complexity. Electric motors, if not abused, last for decades as my 70 year old beer fridge and 60 year old freezer will testify.

PHEV, because it has an ICE, I am uncomfortable with oil sitting around being not being used enough. More hoses, fuel systems, wiring, sensors, filters and relays. It's not like a Briggs and Stratton lawn mower where you run it for years because replacement is a few hundred dollars.

Battery range is cured by attitude adjustment. Battery stability and complexity are more the issues for me. Can I get a replacement in ten years? Will the manufacturer support changes.

What are the realistic fire risks? Fire departments fill out incident reports so what are the numbers?


Phev are ridiculously expensive with short range

I've been preaching since post 2 of this thread years ago,....
Tesla for electrics and hybrids are the way to go, still true today.

With greater emphasis on hybrids now from automakers I expect even better mpg numbers in future models as tech advances
 
Why ever would you want a hybrid now with 1,000 km EVs a reality?
Makes zero sense. More cost and complexity for no gain.
More cost? 1000 km EV no more a reality today than a 2000 km EV. Both may appear at some point in the future but zero are available today.

You posted a video showing only renders with a range almost 50% higher than their current offering and pretend that it is available to buy. If they actually planned to sell it in 2026 like they say, there would be hundreds of them driving around now for testing and certification. You drink strong koolaid in Oz.
 
My problem is that my present ICE is probably good for another four years before I have to get something new. The trade in value is pathetic so the energy cost savings don't outweigh the potential travel value. I'd have to add ~$35K to the pot to get one of the Equinox EVs to save ~$2K a year in fuel. The capital outlay could be invested and make about the same as the fuel savings.

Throwing the depreciation into the calculation changes the numbers as well. The depreciation curve on my present ride is flattening out. The Equinox is jumping off the cliff.
My situation exactly. 70k km on a paid off ICE vehicle, the math doesn't work.
 
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