Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?
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Yup! I’m actually considering buying one as a project car.
I’ve burned more money on less practical things.
Best part is the newer (and higher capacity) batteries are basically a straight swap that I’m seeing people do in their driveway.
My only caution is EV batteries are changing so fast these days ...hard to now when to step in. Even EV motorcycles are looking at 5-600 k ranges. 
If that thing has anything left on the OEM battery ...even 50km range might well be a fun and useable project until the dust settles. Not sure how safety certificates work with those.There must be a Leaf owners forum to browse for battery upgrade.
If that thing has anything left on the OEM battery ...even 50km range might well be a fun and useable project until the dust settles. Not sure how safety certificates work with those.There must be a Leaf owners forum to browse for battery upgrade.Commute is 55km each way. L1 charger available, L2 if I pay $100/month underground parking.My only caution is EV batteries are changing so fast these days ...hard to now when to step in. Even EV motorcycles are looking at 5-600 k ranges.
Currently have spent close to 5k in fuel in a year, BEFORE 5 day RTO was mandated.
Waiting on EV moped or motorcycle with 150 kph range. That would serve me.
There are charging stations around too.
I doubt any of the EV motorcycles will get into my price range but emopeds looking very possible soon enough. Since I'm open class rider switching to these will have no issues with legality to ride them. Would like 100 kph top speed too....they are coming.
I could use this now $5790 new. Needs a bit more range...
There are charging stations around too.
I doubt any of the EV motorcycles will get into my price range but emopeds looking very possible soon enough. Since I'm open class rider switching to these will have no issues with legality to ride them. Would like 100 kph top speed too....they are coming.
I could use this now $5790 new. Needs a bit more range...
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Just circling back on this one. Battery is replaced and so far he said all is good, it took about seven weeks in total.
Any idea the cost if not in warranty?
It was covered by the 8 year battery warranty.
So no idea the cost if it was out of warranty? Im sure it was talked about
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Would love an electric motorcycle for my commute. But the range V price is just a non starter for me.Waiting on EV moped or motorcycle with 150 kph range. That would serve me.
There are charging stations around too.
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I doubt any of the EV motorcycles will get into my price range but emopeds looking very possible soon enough. Since I'm open class rider switching to these will have no issues with legality to ride them. Would like 100 kph top speed too....they are coming.
I could use this now $5790 new. Needs a bit more range...
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How much are used zero's? They have been around long enough to have a solid track record. New, the prices are steep.
Soon enough, they should be giving away livewires.
So how much was the cell replacement? How many cells are there in total and what is the chance of another cell going flat in a relatively short time?
Last I checked the new larger batteries were about 8-10k CAD.
Given that the battery failures AFAIK seem to be heat related, my guess is replacing cells may be a rinse and repeat exercise. If cells died due to heat, well the ones next to them also experienced that same heat, how many cycles are they behind?
It wouldn't surprise me if a ten year old ICE had an accumulated 8-10 thousand in tune ups, oil changes, filters, belt changes etc. The EV propulsion cost savings may have paid for the original cost premium, depending on driving.
How will the EV dealers make up for the loss of ICE service profits?
Rusted five year old cars of the 60s and 70s made new car sales a regular event. Now there are a lot of 20 year old cars still running well without the fenders dropping off. The reliability also means the "buy" decision can more easily be deferred to a better time, a problem with furniture sales. Oops, a recession, we'll live with the ugly sofa for a few more years.
The manufacturers / dealers needs some form of obsolescence, or subscriptions to keep the home fires burning. Right to repair is their enemy. What will they catch us with?
My ICE burns 8 liters per 100 KM. 8 X $1.75 / 100 = $0.14 / Km
I gather EVs typically get 4 Km per kilowatt of charge so at $0.15 / KWH propulsion is $0.15 / KWH / 4 = ~ $0.0375 / Km, about one quarter the cost of ICE.
There are tons of variables but for BS propulsion numbers at 20,000 Kms a year, ICE is $2800 per year and EV is $750, a savings of $2050. The first six years of savings pays off the EV surcharge and, based on an eight year battery guarantee, the next two years of battery life save a $4000 nest egg for a battery replacement should the battery not make ten years.
Other maintenance costs:
Both use tires and brakes. EVs might be harder on tires, easier on brakes.
ICE gets oil changes, belts, transmission fluids, cooling system, spark plugs, a 12 volt battery, alignments,
EVs need???
Electric motors seem to run forever. I watched a conveyor belt run 100 hours a week for years. The vee belt might go every five years and the conveying belt could need re-lacing at the same time. Petty cash costs.
What are the recommended service intervals with an EV and what needs doing?
Are there subscriptions. Self drive and internet are two on my buddy's Tesla S.
Where do the dealers make the day to day maintenance income typically extracted from ICE users?
I gather EVs typically get 4 Km per kilowatt of charge so at $0.15 / KWH propulsion is $0.15 / KWH / 4 = ~ $0.0375 / Km, about one quarter the cost of ICE.
There are tons of variables but for BS propulsion numbers at 20,000 Kms a year, ICE is $2800 per year and EV is $750, a savings of $2050. The first six years of savings pays off the EV surcharge and, based on an eight year battery guarantee, the next two years of battery life save a $4000 nest egg for a battery replacement should the battery not make ten years.
Other maintenance costs:
Both use tires and brakes. EVs might be harder on tires, easier on brakes.
ICE gets oil changes, belts, transmission fluids, cooling system, spark plugs, a 12 volt battery, alignments,
EVs need???
Electric motors seem to run forever. I watched a conveyor belt run 100 hours a week for years. The vee belt might go every five years and the conveying belt could need re-lacing at the same time. Petty cash costs.
What are the recommended service intervals with an EV and what needs doing?
Are there subscriptions. Self drive and internet are two on my buddy's Tesla S.
Where do the dealers make the day to day maintenance income typically extracted from ICE users?
Tesla seems to keep crashes in house which gives them months of "work" (mostly waiting for parts).
Most other manufacturers still have substantial portions of their fleet as ICE to keep the service department busy. Hybrid keeps the service department busy and keeps the wankers in Ottawa happy.
I suspect that service departments will still profit from diagnostics/part swapping. Are ICE maintenance tasks very profitable? I suspect this may shake up flat rate compensation as it removes both the newbie tasks and many of the jobs where it is easy to beat book time.
