900,000 students coming in…

I know a handful of them, they are in a labour pool i sometimes use. They have drivers licences, work for cash.

One fellow came with his wife on student visas to study at Northern College. Since arriving he’s had 2 kids and purchased a home.

Both he and his wife are now illegal as they overstayed their visas. They don’t seem too worries as they’ve been here for 5 years with nobody bothering them.
 
Hopefully this ends the free ride, but I feel like the provinces will be stuck with the bill…

 
Hopefully this ends the free ride, but I feel like the provinces will be stuck with the bill…

Only after what? 5 or more yrs and million of tax payers dollars FML
 
Son of a bit$@…they close one door and the open another.

Fak I hope the federal govt doesn’t listen or abide by this idiots idea…


The system has gotten hooked on cheap labour at the expense of Canadians (youth in particular).

Any idiot with a plane ticket will now be an asylum seeker and plan for a work permit….

Fak
I agree with giving them work permits.

Many work under the table, which already dilutes the low wage workforce, just under the table. This leaves a sucking sound on resources from tax payers while returning no money into tax coffers.

Expedite the asylum reviews and deport failed cases promptly.
 

One of the t-shirts reads Now Hiring Immigrants. Are they really immigrants? Do they have landed immigrant status?
Re: Aslyum seekers, temporary work status, international students what amount/ how are they getting paid at Tim Hortons? Are they getting paid?
For me, it would be better to questions Doug Ford and Tim Hortons Corp directly rather than the workers.

The two tier wage difference is a way of business to abuse the workers. Before highschools kids were getting paid less for equal work.
Now it seems highschoolers cant get a job because they found out a way to find a group of people to abuse even more.

Why is it so prevalent at Tim Hortons?
 
Expedite the asylum reviews and deport failed cases promptly.
That's the concerning point, will they be deported or just continue doing whatever they like...
 
It would be an interesting case study using Tim Hortons , while each store is an independent owned franchise they all subscribe to a central accounting payroll office. However if you have a dozen cash workers , it would go a long way to your bottom line paying no benefits , workers comp or vacation. Canadian Tire had a couple stores in the news last yr. abusing workers . There seems to be a commonality with the owners and illegal immigrant labour


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I know a handful of them, they are in a labour pool i sometimes use. They have drivers licences, work for cash.

One fellow came with his wife on student visas to study at Northern College. Since arriving he’s had 2 kids and purchased a home.

Both he and his wife are now illegal as they overstayed their visas. They don’t seem too worries as they’ve been here for 5 years with nobody bothering them.
They'll be the first ones to cry and get a news article written on it talking about how they're going to lose everything they've saved and "built" for their lives here the last 5 years even when it's all been done %100 ILLEGALLY. Deport and not come back if can't follow simple rules like they should have.
 
They'll be the first ones to cry and get a news article written on it talking about how they're going to lose everything they've saved and "built" for their lives here the last 5 years even when it's all been done %100 ILLEGALLY. Deport and not come back if can't follow simple rules like they should have.
Would be nice if Canada actually followed through with deportations instead of ‘hey, please pinky promise that you’ll leave by X date’

Meanwhile people continue to cheat the system and take advantage for their own benefits.
 
Allowing students to go to school here is not the same thing as granting them immigration status - once their visas run out they'll still have to jump through the hoops in order to stay. As was mentioned earlier in the thread, it is however a great way for the parents to buy said student a condo to live in and launder some offshore currency at the same time. Once junior is done, they can sell it, rent it, or just let it sit empty as property values increase.
Border patrol or peel police wont go looking for them once their status expires...there are now infamous clips of conservatives questioning a federal immigration minister how they will actually enforce expiring visas etc and them having no answers or mechanisms in place to actually enforce anything...

You will pay one way or another, there is always a cost...higher housing costs, more clogged highways and roads, longer wait times at hospitals, no family doctors...fewer job offers....etc etc
 
Might be the answer

Will probably chime in given the person last name.

Axel Schwan CEO of Tim Hortons

The polite term for this statement is “intellectually lazy”

Anti Israeli policy doesn't mean anti Jewish as I've already stated. My former Jewish girlfriend would be quite upset.
 
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Before we try to emulate the US do we really understand the implications of deporting illegal immigrants already here, or limiting foreign students on the workplace and companies that many of us rely on directly or indirectly?

Look closely at the workforce staffing deliveries, warehousing and logistics, LTC patient care, fast food etc........... and you'll see just about 100% coverage by people of color.

By way of example, I have relatives in LTC and also in a private nursing home. 100% of the housekeeping staff, maintenance, food services and patient care staff are people of color. I have no idea as to their immigration status.

I'm not condoning illegal immigrants, or degree mills, or employment placement scams, but it would be critical to clearly understand just who is going to replace the people currently doing these jobs if they are rounded up and deported. Lets know this before we create a crisis.
 
Before we try to emulate the US do we really understand the implications of deporting illegal immigrants already here, or limiting foreign students on the workplace and companies that many of us rely on directly or indirectly?

Look closely at the workforce staffing deliveries, warehousing and logistics, LTC patient care, fast food etc........... and you'll see just about 100% coverage by people of color.

By way of example, I have relatives in LTC and also in a private nursing home. 100% of the housekeeping staff, maintenance, food services and patient care staff are people of color. I have no idea as to their immigration status.

I'm not condoning illegal immigrants, or degree mills, or employment placement scams, but it would be critical to clearly understand just who is going to replace the people currently doing these jobs if they are rounded up and deported. Lets know this before we create a crisis.

Agreed, a balanced approach would be good. We've definitely lurched a bit too far to one side recently but the reasons for that are complicated. If there was investment in higher education then colleges and universities might not need to bring in as many international students. The shady degree mills saw a way of making a quick buck by exploiting this to the max and here we are with all the knock ons . This one really is a butterfly effect.
 
The entire premise of a rule of law society is equal and fair accountability. Show them the door, period. The process just needs to be actually thought through, not round them up like cattle and pack them in 'jails'.
 
If there was investment in higher education then colleges and universities might not need to bring in as many international students.

One of the key questions here is just what is the right balance between a high school diploma, college diploma, trade school diploma, an undergraduate degree and a masters and doctorate.

Let's not be pumping out people with undergraduate and post graduate degrees when employment prospects are minimal and people end up in jobs for which they are significantly overqualified for, from an education perspective. In the meantime we have trades where there are massive shortages and thousands that plan to retire in the next 5 - 10 years. Want to build thousands of homes? You might need carpenters, plumbers, electricians to actually do the work. Need a mechanic to repair your computer on 4 wheels? You may be SOL as there is already a shortage of mechanics and, in particular, those trained to work on the advanced electronics that are standard now in virtually all cars and light trucks.

Ontario needs a comprehensive plan to attract people to enroll in programs that are geared to meeting the needs of the economy. Using trades as an example work with industry to define the need for people, current enrollment, expansion of class and apprenticeships spaces and then discount tuition and student loans to enable and entice people to enroll. This is a long term plan, not one geared to 4 year election cycles.

This is complicated stuff to do properly, vs. the simpleton approach of freezing tuition for 8 years to appeal to voters. A huge percentage of the immigration issues we face in Ontario are a direct result of DoFo's tuition freeze and then education budget cuts. The motivation to hugely expand foreign student enrollment is a direct result of this naive tactic Ford used to buy votes.
 
Ontario buggered this forty yrs ago when I was in high school, the channeling system where you were in a four yr or five yr program and the dumdums where in a “tech wing” . You had the smokers hall , machine shop,metal fab, auto and it’s where most dummies got sent . The clever lads were funneled to algebra and biology and off to a uni education. Unlike European society where being a cabinet maker was a good job and a machinist was respected, we made it a consolation prize . Our leadership in education was so short sighted .
My nephew the plumber has bought a house, has a family and makes a decent wage . My niece the Queens uni film and cinema major lives with her parents .


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One of the key questions here is just what is the right balance between a high school diploma, college diploma, trade school diploma, an undergraduate degree and a masters and doctorate.

Let's not be pumping out people with undergraduate and post graduate degrees when employment prospects are minimal and people end up in jobs for which they are significantly overqualified for, from an education perspective. In the meantime we have trades where there are massive shortages and thousands that plan to retire in the next 5 - 10 years. Want to build thousands of homes? You might need carpenters, plumbers, electricians to actually do the work. Need a mechanic to repair your computer on 4 wheels? You may be SOL as there is already a shortage of mechanics and, in particular, those trained to work on the advanced electronics that are standard now in virtually all cars and light trucks.

Ontario needs a comprehensive plan to attract people to enroll in programs that are geared to meeting the needs of the economy. Using trades as an example work with industry to define the need for people, current enrollment, expansion of class and apprenticeships spaces and then discount tuition and student loans to enable and entice people to enroll. This is a long term plan, not one geared to 4 year election cycles.

This is complicated stuff to do properly, vs. the simpleton approach of freezing tuition for 8 years to appeal to voters. A huge percentage of the immigration issues we face in Ontario are a direct result of DoFo's tuition freeze and then education budget cuts. The motivation to hugely expand foreign student enrollment is a direct result of this naive tactic Ford used to buy votes.
i don't think this is generally a big problem, although it is in certain sectors - like health care. That's partly gov't fault, but it's also certain industries and unions that works hard to keep demand for people higher than the supply.

Gov can fix this, and has made some success - but its takes a lot of time to turn around a battleship, particularly when past governments poorly managed the supply side by past governments.

For example, the Liberals in Ontario left with a significant deficit in nurses, and worse - they had no plan to address the forseeable decline in staff set to retire in over the 2020-2030 decade. That meant doubling up on training, a task that takes time for universities, colleges, training hospitals and career planning for those entering the workforce.
 
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