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We were shopping and got talking to a guy from India running a sample kiosk. He was studying project management at Conestoga and seemed to have his act together. At least the school is recognized further away than the nearest sidewalk.

His employer in India is picking up half his tuition and he has a job when he gets back.
 
There are likely thousands of good students , we hear the hundreds of douchenozzles . But the damage done by the hundreds does not bode well for the rest of.


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crankcall said:
There are likely thousands of good students , we hear the hundreds of douchenozzles . But the damage done by the hundreds does not bode well for the rest of.


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Apparently 19% of "students" here on a visa do not appear to have any connections to a school (not even a dodgy papermill college). Minimal effort is made to send those 19% home asap.
 
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mimico_polak said:
Don't think it's enough...but I guess it's a step in the right direction...

www.theglobeandmail.com

Ottawa announces two-year cap on international student visas

The changes will reduce the number of new international study permits issued by more than one-third compared with last year
www.theglobeandmail.com www.theglobeandmail.com

Shockingly it will be re-evaluated right before the next election...
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Idiots. Again with a poorly thought through knee jerk reaction. Queens, York and a few others are already teetering on the edge. Cutting international students by 50% may finish them off. A targeted approach (as a start, must be registered and attend an accredited school with reports every 30 days, stop going to school and your visa is immediately revoked) would be more effective and have minimal effect on real schools.

As for re-evaluating before the next election, every politician likes to saddle their successor with an expensive stink bomb. Try to make the next guy look worse as you deal them a right $#!te hand.
 
I suspect little will actually change, they'll just re-word a few things to give the appearance of change in order to secure the angry votes.
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GreyGhost said:
Idiots. Again with a poorly thought through knee jerk reaction. Queens, York and a few others are already teetering on the edge. Cutting international students by 50% may finish them off. A targeted approach (as a start, must be registered and attend an accredited school with reports every 30 days, stop going to school and your visa is immediately revoked) would be more effective and have minimal effect on real schools.

As for re-evaluating before the next election, every politician likes to saddle their successor with an expensive stink bomb. Try to make the next guy look worse as you deal them a right $#!te hand.
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If a Canadian university is financially teetering, they needs to first look inward. Canada spends a lot on post-secondary education, more than most of the world per capita.

Canada spends 2.4% of GDP funding universities, about 1/2 of that is public funds. Not many countries spend like that, the only1st world country that spends more is the USA.
 
Mad Mike said:
If a Canadian university is financially teetering, they needs to first look inward. Canada spends a lot on post-secondary education, more than most of the world per capita.

Canada spends 2.4% of GDP funding universities, about 1/2 of that is public funds. Not many countries spend like that, the only1st world country that spends more is the USA.
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I'm not saying there isn't a lot of fault internally but as currently funded, they are on the brink even with bending over as many international students as possible. If that source of funding is severely restricted, they either need an immediate huge cash infusion or huge spending cut.

I think many programs are useless and just waste students lives, cost money and do very little to better society and those programs would be a good place to start. If a university program is not hard, it should not exist.
 
GreyGhost said:
I'm not saying there isn't a lot of fault internally but as currently funded, they are on the brink even with bending over as many international students as possible. If that source of funding is severely restricted, they either need an immediate huge cash infusion or huge spending cut.

I think many programs are useless and just waste students lives, cost money and do very little to better society and those programs would be a good place to start. If a university program is not hard, it should not exist.
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From public records, U of T employs 10000 people. 52% of their staff make <$100K, and that 52% averages $165K/year.

Universities have made a futile to promote higher education as the ticket for a great job, the reality is not everyone gets great jobs. I worked at a big bank and know lots of people who made great careers without a degree, they just worked hard. They didn't spend $50k on a basketweaving degree to help get their resumes a little extra consideration for their first job.

Perhaps if post-secondary education focussed more on society's need for workers, we'd have fewer Bachelor of Arts grads prepared for making lattes and Big Macs, and more prepared to swing hammers, run CNC machines, and finish concrete.
 
GreyGhost said:
I'm not saying there isn't a lot of fault internally but as currently funded, they are on the brink even with bending over as many international students as possible. If that source of funding is severely restricted, they either need an immediate huge cash infusion or huge spending cut.

I think many programs are useless and just waste students lives, cost money and do very little to better society and those programs would be a good place to start. If a university program is not hard, it should not exist.
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Get rid of Basketweaving 101, Floral Designs 101, and whatever else bird courses they have and then start competing again for talent to attend your school, instead of having anything and everything under the sun just for the sake of catering to everybody.

Then function like a business and cut the fat which is unnecessary bloat. The issue with schools isn't the funding IMO, it's the excessive bloated bureaucracy that follows the bloat.

It's a school. Focus on schooling. If the only way to make your budget is bringing in international students...maybe there's a problem that should be addressed at the core level, and not just running to the gov't for more money because you can't get your $hit in order.

No different than many municipalities and provinces. It's not an earning problem, it's a spending problem.
 
mimico_polak said:
Get rid of Basketweaving 101, Floral Designs 101, and whatever else bird courses they have and then start competing again for talent to attend your school, instead of having anything and everything under the sun just for the sake of catering to everybody.

Then function like a business and cut the fat which is unnecessary bloat. The issue with schools isn't the funding IMO, it's the excessive bloated bureaucracy that follows the bloat.

It's a school. Focus on schooling. If the only way to make your budget is bringing in international students...maybe there's a problem that should be addressed at the core level, and not just running to the gov't for more money because you can't get your $hit in order.

No different than many municipalities and provinces. It's not an earning problem, it's a spending problem.
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The government actually pays for advertising that instructs you how to get money from them.
 
GreyGhost said:
Idiots. Again with a poorly thought through knee jerk reaction. Queens, York and a few others are already teetering on the edge. Cutting international students by 50% may finish them off. A targeted approach (as a start, must be registered and attend an accredited school with reports every 30 days, stop going to school and your visa is immediately revoked) would be more effective and have minimal effect on real schools.

As for re-evaluating before the next election, every politician likes to saddle their successor with an expensive stink bomb. Try to make the next guy look worse as you deal them a right $#!te hand.
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Where do you get your information regarding Queens and York on the brink?
Can't speak on behalf of Queens, but having done some work for YorkU; they are doing fine.

Conestoga, Algoma, and all the college / 4th tier universities pandering to Brampton I imagine are shivering in their timbers..


Conestoga College.. Read the comments..
https://www.reddit.com/r/kitchener/comments/16f4pvc
https://www.reddit.com/r/waterloo/comments/167p2jh
 
Dresden said:
Where do you get your information regarding Queens and York on the brink?
Can't speak on behalf of Queens, but having done some work for YorkU; they are doing fine.

Conestoga, Algoma, and all the college / 4th tier universities pandering to Brampton I imagine are shivering in their timbers..


Conestoga College.. Read the comments..
https://www.reddit.com/r/kitchener/comments/16f4pvc
https://www.reddit.com/r/waterloo/comments/167p2jh
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Deficit is ~10% of budget. They have wiped out their reserves.

globalnews.ca

Student concern continues amid Queen’s University financial woes - Kingston | Globalnews.ca

Students on campus at Queen's University say they want better communication from the school about possible cuts coming to the arts and science program.
globalnews.ca globalnews.ca

"The meeting was intended to update staff and students about the university’s $48-million deficit and how that may impact jobs and courses in the future."

ottawa.ctvnews.ca

'Deficit is an acute problem': Queen's University eyes drastic cutbacks, addresses students

Faculty and staff at Queen's University are not certain about the university's future amid financial difficulties.
ottawa.ctvnews.ca ottawa.ctvnews.ca

"It is true that the university is facing significant financial challenges. Costs have exceeded revenue to an unsustainable level with an operating budget deficit for the current fiscal year 2023-24 initially projected to be over $62 million. This is ten percent of our total operating budget of slightly more than $600 million," read the letter. 

nationalpost.com

Queen's University could 'go under' without cuts to courses

Queen’s University in Kingston, Ont., has suspended admissions to its undergraduate Bachelor of Fine Art program, amid other cuts to courses
nationalpost.com nationalpost.com

“If we carry on spending at that rate, we will run out of reserves by 2025-26.
 
mimico_polak said:
Don't think it's enough...but I guess it's a step in the right direction...

www.theglobeandmail.com

Ottawa announces two-year cap on international student visas

The changes will reduce the number of new international study permits issued by more than one-third compared with last year
www.theglobeandmail.com www.theglobeandmail.com

Shockingly it will be re-evaluated right before the next election...
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My favourite part about this article:
"The Canadian Press show the federal government was warned about a “misalignment” in population growth and housing supply as early as 2022."

Hmm.. Let's see what the Trudeau administration did?
monitor.icef.com

Canada’s foreign enrolment grew by more than 30% in 2022

Newly released data from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) tells the story of a record year of growth for Canadian institutions and schools. IRCC reports that, as of 31 December 202
monitor.icef.com monitor.icef.com

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Nice. And on top of this is was another 900,000 in 2023.

One more thing... India is a MASSIVE country with 1.5 billion people. Does anyone want to take a quick guess why they are all mostly here from the Khalistan region? (Turban wearing/Sikh).

I'm sure a decade or two from now there will be plenty of documentaries made about the modern day "Underground Railroad" and apparatuses set up on BOTH sides of the countries to funnel people from Punjab to Canada..

[Underground Railroad - Wikipedia]

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I'll end my posts on the topic and rant on a political note:

Future generations will quickly forget what Canada was like before 2015. Trudeau (probably like his dad) has forever changed the landscape and trajectory of Canada for the negative. His policies have directly exacerbated a growing wealth divide that started after 2008 and made it into a generational divide.

In 2016 "Millennials in the top 10% held 55% of in total net worth accumulated by their generation.". God help the Gen Z / Gen Alpha kids of millennials who don't already own their homes or will have a generous inheritance coming their way.

But hey.. at least they will be sedated and high.

And I say this as someone who voted Trudeau... [never again]
 
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Dresden said:
My favourite part about this article:
"The Canadian Press show the federal government was warned about a “misalignment” in population growth and housing supply as early as 2022."

Hmm.. Let's see what the Trudeau administration did?
monitor.icef.com

Canada’s foreign enrolment grew by more than 30% in 2022

Newly released data from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) tells the story of a record year of growth for Canadian institutions and schools. IRCC reports that, as of 31 December 202
monitor.icef.com monitor.icef.com

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Nice. And on top of this is was another 900,000 in 2023.

One more thing... India is a MASSIVE country with 1.5 billion people. Does anyone want to take a quick guess why they are all mostly here from the Khalistan region? (Turban wearing/Sikh).

I'm sure a decade or two from now there will be plenty of documentaries made about the modern day "Underground Railroad" and apparatuses set up on BOTH sides of the countries to funnel people from Punjab to Canada..

[Underground Railroad - Wikipedia]

--

I'll end my posts on the topic and rant on a political note:

Future generations will quickly forget what Canada was like before 2015. Trudeau (probably like his dad) has forever changed the landscape and trajectory of Canada for the negative. His policies have directly exacerbated a growing wealth divide that started after 2008 and made it into a generational divide.

In 2016 "Millennials in the top 10% held 55% of in total net worth accumulated by their generation.". God help the Gen Z / Gen Alpha kids of millennials who don't already own their homes or will have a generous inheritance coming their way.

But hey.. at least they will be sedated and high.

And I say this as someone who voted Trudeau... [never again]
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IMO Papa Trudeau started the ball rolling by choosing multi culture over melting pot. Assimilation is not a bad thing if done properly.

When making risotto one adds a handful of grated Parmesan cheese at the end but you sprinkle it in as you stir. If you dump it in in one shot it can remelt into a ball and it never blends in. The dish isn't fit to serve anyone.

Multiculturalism has created nations within nations. We already have that problem with the reserves.

Brian Mulroney and NAFTA included certain cultural items and traded our identity for the profit driven US model

Justin Trudeau is just a loose cannon firing solid gold cannon balls in every direction. He uses money as a fire blanket.

"Look Justin, I think there's a wisp of smoke over there"

"Throw some money on it to smother it."

We need immigration but it has to be planned long term.

Also, we can't with conscience go back to 1960, pre birth control, pre women's rights, white is right thinking.

We can't go back to 1960 medical practices, cars that rusted out in a couple of years, radial aircraft engines.

Even without the above, Canada's fat cat days were fading. As other countries were forced to become lean and mean by their more limited resources Canada had to shape up or ship out of the market.
 
Meh. Tons of politics at play here. Capping international students/funding issues forces universities to complain and put out scary headlines. Those scary headlines are mostly to embarrass Ford into rethinking the tuition freeze (frozen since 2019). There are genuine financial issues though. Despite what Mike says Universities are chronically underfunded especially in Ontario compared to the rest of Canada. Funding education feeds back into society if done right. If done wrong then you get Education Corp. where students are customers and senior admin are CEOs. This is where we are right now.

As for salaries, some are out to lunch at the top but for most those people have doctorates and multiple years of further education as postdocs etc. That’s a lot of experience. For me I have a doctorate and 7 years of research experience after that in different countries on different continents with industrial experience and now 15+ years of teaching experience too and I’m still below the average Mike posted and I didn’t start really earning until about 10 years ago. Before that I was contract to contract on way, way less. Not everyone sits in an ivory tower on golden pillows.

As for basket weaving etc. I see the point but you need to be careful that you don’t cut right down to the bone or all you graduate is doctors, lawyers, dentists etc and you lose culture, languages, history, music and the arts.
 
jc100 said:
you lose culture, languages, history, music and the arts.
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If those programs lose money to operate and do little for the economy after graduation, I am ok with that. You don't need a university degree to do musical theater. Sadly, there isn't enough money to cover every useless piece of paper people don't want to pay market rate for.
 
GreyGhost said:
If those programs lose money to operate and do little for the economy after graduation, I am ok with that. You don't need a university degree to do musical theater. Sadly, there isn't enough money to cover every useless piece of paper people don't want to pay market rate for.
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The bigger picture is that a pleasant society rich in culture with a strong economy is going to be a lot better than one staffed with lawyers only. You need it all.

I used to think like you until you realize that not everything is about money when it comes to the world you live in. I might not appreciate some of the finer things in the arts world but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t enrich society.

However.….underwater basket weaving etc is a big stretch. There’s always limits.
 
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