I don't know how y'all city slickers do it...

Gaoler

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How you riders who live in the city do it... I do not know.
I'm talking about riders who live "down town", in condos... Like real urban dwellers.
The kind of riders who have to park in underground garages because they just don't have anywhere else.
I live in I guess what I used to consider the 'burbs... Burlington/Hamilton-ish.
These days it's the traffic that really saps the enjoyment out of going for a ride, just for the sake of going for a ride.
The sheer volume of cars and for the worst part transport trucks makes riding a chore. The lousy roads don't help either.
I can't imaging the suck of being on a nice/performance bike trying to survive downtown T-dot traffic....

Rant mode off.
 
We live in 403 / Winston Churchill area and getting to relatively quiet country side roads takes about 30 minutes, which is a pain. Traffic volume has been building for years and IMO the ride is marginal at best.

Retired, we have a cottage in the Kawarthas and the bike lives there from about end of April to end of October.

Best riding times are before school lets out and after Labour Day, weekdays in particular when the roads are empty.
 
I consider myself very lucky. I don't think I'd ride if I lived in the city.
Same here. We've lived in Orangeville since 1991. I commuted into TO for work until my retirement in 2011. After retirement I think I've only been inside the city limits two or three times and that has cemented my opinion that Toronto traffic is to be avoided at all costs.
 
How you riders who live in the city do it... I do not know.
I'm talking about riders who live "down town", in condos... Like real urban dwellers.
The kind of riders who have to park in underground garages because they just don't have anywhere else.
I live in I guess what I used to consider the 'burbs... Burlington/Hamilton-ish.
These days it's the traffic that really saps the enjoyment out of going for a ride, just for the sake of going for a ride.
The sheer volume of cars and for the worst part transport trucks makes riding a chore. The lousy roads don't help either.
I can't imaging the suck of being on a nice/performance bike trying to survive downtown T-dot traffic....

Rant mode off.
E scooters, Uber E-bikes and virtually no enforcement has made it noticably worse in the last few years.
 
'Just seems in my immediate area, say a 50km radius from my driveway there's never a day/time when the traffic doesn't suck.
But hey... I'm sure the 16% property tax hike coming up will be used to improve the roads 'round here😀
 
Even though now I live in Miserysauga, I work in the the TDot and commute on the bike almost every day. I love riding the bike in the city, but don't really enjoy driving the car there. I loved living in the city too - there's just so much interesting stuff going on.

We used to live in a condo across from Fort York and loved that too. At one point I had 3 bikes in my condo spot and our condo management never gave me a hassle about it. The only thing I would be nervous about now more than before is the increased bike thefts from condo garages.

Whenever we retire, we are planning on moving back into our condo and I'm looking forward to it:)
 
Good roads and trails both start at my driveway but if I lived downtown I'd for sure have a bike.
I typically avoid going anywhere that's busy enough to have traffic lights but I recently went to the Jays final home game and the riders of bikes enjoying zipping through traffic and easily finding parking compared to the cagers was very evident.
 
I lived in "da hood", and commute on the bike daily. It's **** to deal with traffic either way, and it's just less miserable on the bike (can at least filter ahead when appropriate). Free street parking is a big plus as well.
 
I live in Bath Ontario.
It take me about 4 minutes to get to the open road if traffic is not to bad.
Life just sucks and I may have to move out to the country.
No spouse, no job, no kids, no pets, no mortgage and I still complain !!!

 
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im in the west end of toronto. it has definitely gotten WAY worse over the years in terms of traffic. you used to be able to just zip down dupont. now its as busy as any other major street. everything is under god damn construction and honestly, **** the bike lanes.

literally the only benefit left to riding in the city is the free parking. if that gets taken away, i'd give it up and just ride when im on vacation instead.
 
We live in 403 / Winston Churchill area and getting to relatively quiet country side roads takes about 30 minutes, which is a pain. Traffic volume has been building for years and IMO the ride is marginal at best.

Retired, we have a cottage in the Kawarthas and the bike lives there from about end of April to end of October.

Best riding times are before school lets out and after Labour Day, weekdays in particular when the roads are empty.

It's all relative. Mississauga traffic doesn't bother me at all. I gave up on commuting from Mississauga to Scarborough on my 998 because of the painful crawl home along the westbound Gardiner in the afternoons from the DVP all the way to at least Jameson, never going fast enough or stopping long enough to fully release the clutch. Then I once made the mistake in the middle of July of forgetting to check my fuel before leaving and had to exit at Spadina trying to get to the Shell on the corner of Wellington. Boy was that a mistake. Only time it ever started acting up from overheating. Something like 10-15 minutes between lights. Crazy!

Now I commute between Port Credit and Dixie/Eglinton on my 990 SMT and I love it so much more than driving. I imagine even on a SS the 20-minute ride is short enough to be enjoyable.

That said, if I'm going for an actual ride, like others have mentioned, I head out of the populated areas. Basically head to anywhere that's green on Google Maps and plan to spend at least a few hours if not an entire day out there to make it worth it (especially the Highlands).
 
I retired in May...
Rural Saskatchewan is looking good, but Mrs. Gaoler just gives me the eye-roll whenever I bring it up...:rolleyes:
Lake front property? :LOL:
Crazy windy, not great for riding.
Wouldn't Alberta be a better option, mountains all all?
 
I retired in May...
Rural Saskatchewan is looking good, but Mrs. Gaoler just gives me the eye-roll whenever I bring it up...:rolleyes:
Spent some time out around Charleston Lake and environs this summer. If I was retired and wanted to ride more and better, but stay in Ontario, I'd be headed out that way. Some very nice roads just to the north, and very little traffic. Napanee, Brockville, Gananoque, one of those medium towns so you still have some amenities at hand (and health care) but no traffic and cheaper real estate.

Southwest Ontario doesn't have enough decent roads, it's all too flat. Niagara is too expensive and busy, the near North and Muskoka is all too expensive and busy in the summer. Further north, the roads get crappy fast and winter is the real deal. Real estate gets really cheap once you get as far as North Bay, though!
 
Spent some time out around Charleston Lake and environs this summer. If I was retired and wanted to ride more and better, but stay in Ontario, I'd be headed out that way. Some very nice roads just to the north, and very little traffic. Napanee, Brockville, Gananoque, one of those medium towns so you still have some amenities at hand (and health care) but no traffic and cheaper real estate.

Agreed.

511 N of Lanark, Calabogie/Centennial Rd, Ompah, etc. So many good riding roads in the area!

Also Calabogie track for the knee draggers, and lots of gravel roads as well to satisfy the adventure bikes.

Back when my lower back and legs were younger, we would do day trips to the Ottawa Valley and back... ah, those were the days...
 
I’m in Brooklin, a 5 minute ride and I’m in the countryside. Lots of nice roads without traffic. I’ll usually do rides to Port Perry, Rice Lake Port hope etc. I avoid Toronto at all cost. I’m semi retired and there’s no reason for me to go there anymore other than the odd show.
 
Answering as someone who’d never ridden or driven anything, anywhere, until I rode my first bike home from the downtown dealer, and who still does 90% of my riding in the city, even back when I had no car and was doing 15k km a year...

Most of my my-property-backs-onto-woods friends are 100% better riders than me. Hands down. But they can’t ride for **** in the city. They look as out of place here as I do off road (when I ride the trails behind their homes like a little *****). But they couldn’t keep up with me if their lives depended on it lol.

It’s a different animal, and if you treat it like the same animal, you’re going to suck. Just like I suck balls, really big hairy balls, when I try to ride trails like I would ride asphalt.

It's like that line from the Batman movie. You merely adopted the city. I was born into, moulded by it, it made me the rider I am. So here's my 3 cents:

1) You win in the city by average moving speed. By never stopping. Stopped for more than 30 seconds? You’ve failed. If you’d be the only one in the left turn lane, skip it, you probably don’t weigh enough to trigger it. Turn right, make a U-turn. You’re small, you’re quick, you’re agile, so be all of those things.

If you're not going to do that, why the **** did you come here on a motorcycle for??? Just bring your cage next time if you're going to ride like that, you'll be more comfortable.

2) You’re not riding in traffic, you’re riding through it. If that doesn’t make sense, read it again. Up the parking lane (carefully), cheating in the bicycle lane (slowly) to get a few cars ahead at a time. Laneways, zig zags through residentials ripping from stop sign to stop sign because you're 0-50km/hr is insane vs a car staying in traffic on the major arteries, lane splitting, over the yellow line when it’s safe to pass another half dozen cars. Left turn lane wide open at a red, seven cars ahead of you, and you want to go straight? Take it, and outgun all seven when the light turns green.

Do all that at least once and you've shaved off ten minutes already. Look at you go!

3) And a “nice/performance bike” doesn’t mean the same thing here. I’d never try to keep up with what one of my buddy's does on his 600 SS on the highways. Even on my best bike. No thank you. In the city he can’t even keep up with my 250cc Vespa for ****. Performance here means never stop moving, good suspension (or at least cheap suspension but with enough travel), and adequate brakes at a minimum.

When I shipped my bike to Rome, I had two choices: complain about how Italians drive like a little Stacey, or spend the first two hours of my first morning in Rome, following the two-wheeled commuters and mimicking everything they do to learn how the locals ride. Rome quickly became my favourite city in the world to ride in.

TLDR: Throw away what you thought you knew. The city is a different animal. Approach it accordingly and you'll succeed and have a blast.

If anyone needs me I'll be being a little ***** on the trails, or being a ******* menace in the city. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk :)
 
IMO if you're looking for decent back roads in Ontario you have Muskoka, the Kawarthas and the Calabougie areas to consider.

A typical half day ride for me from and to the cottage might include Northey's Bay Road, then over to the 507, Glamorgan, 118 to Bancroft area, then south on 28 to Lower Farraday Road, 620W and the 504 south to 46 and I zigzag my way home from there. Lots of decent roads and on a weekday post Labour Day virtually no traffic.

If you're looking for relative affordability and minimal traffic then Kawarthas and Calabougie areas have it over Muskoka and there are plenty of options for affordable waterfront or backwoods homes with reasonable access to shopping and healthcare.

If family, grandkids, elderly relatives etc..... were not a consideration I might be looking for a place on a lake somewhere north of Kingston
 
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