Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.2%
  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 28.9%
  • I like turtles

    Votes: 58 50.9%

  • Total voters
    114
There is a gap miles wide between false accusations and the reality of most officers on paid leave. A trivial first cut would be to allow psa charges to he adjudicated at any time instead of waiting for a trial. As the bar is far lower, many psa hearings could easily result in dismissal weeks after charges were raised. The outcome of the criminal trial would therefore be immaterial to their employment. What other job pays you for years while they investigate your criminal acts while employed?
Banks, sort of

If a teller rips off a small amount of cash and is caught, banks generally try to avoid the publicity and the teller gets to resign along with getting a letter of recommendation.

Bigger dollars, different procedure.

Churches and politics aren't too different.
 
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Forces wait until after a finding of guilt in court in order to avoid having PSA charges and dismissals summarily overturned by courts, in civil actions. That higher standard required by courts pretty much makes them proof against being overturned which has, in fact, happened.
I understand the argument. I don't think it withstands scrutiny when we are paying thousands of suspended officers. The vast majority could be fired today with no danger of losing a civil suit. They are dumb criminals that leave a trail of evidence and are only protected because they are part of the largest organized crime network in the country.
 
I understand the argument. I don't think it withstands scrutiny when we are paying thousands of suspended officers. The vast majority could be fired today with no danger of losing a civil suit. They are dumb criminals that leave a trail of evidence and are only protected because they are part of the largest organized crime network in the country.
One massive problem is the Peter Principle where a person is promoted to the position of their maximum incompetence.

Too many public leaders got to the position by brown nosing. The Ottawa police chief with weeks of notice did nothing to deflect the truckers strike.

Countless failings go unreported to hide the incompetence. Whistle blowers get demoted while the incompetent climb the ladders. Too many competent people stay on the lower rungs to avoid the political harassment.
 
I understand the argument. I don't think it withstands scrutiny when we are paying thousands of suspended officers. The vast majority could be fired today with no danger of losing a civil suit. They are dumb criminals that leave a trail of evidence and are only protected because they are part of the largest organized crime network in the country.
The biggest issue with the payouts is dirty officers having their lawyers use delaying tactics, to try and ride it out until their pensions kick in, while simultaneously demanding a "speedy trial" of The Crown.
 
As usual, expect no consequences for government employees, supervisors, etc that completely tanked the case. 2001 court case governs procedure, cbsa hadn't bothered to update policies to comply 22 years later and has now updated written policy but not training. Failing upward at every turn.
 
As usual, expect no consequences for government employees, supervisors, etc that completely tanked the case. 2001 court case governs procedure, cbsa hadn't bothered to update policies to comply 22 years later and has now updated written policy but not training. Failing upward at every turn.
To deflect attention from this fiasco the Liberal party is funding a $12 Billion lolly-pop festival in Trout Creek. Thinking of the children of course. Sarcasm font.
 
$90k plus to brush the tps horses.

A friend of mine did that same job for a private company at a stable in Alabama. It was connected to a teen ranch for "troubled kids" that also had a section where teens were remanded by the courts. The job entails a hell of a lot more than just that, but she got paid a hell of a lot less. Typical of American "mental health care."
 
Home invaders break into a home.. corral the family in the basement.. shoot the son. Dad takes a gun from one of the intruders.. and shoots at them… chases them out of the house and continues to shoot at them as they drive off. He’s cleared of everything inside the home, but gets convicted for taking the shots outside the home. His sentence is pretty minor.. the crown tries to appeal for more time.. appeal denied.

 
Home invaders break into a home.. corral the family in the basement.. shoot the son. Dad takes a gun from one of the intruders.. and shoots at them… chases them out of the house and continues to shoot at them as they drive off. He’s cleared of everything inside the home, but gets convicted for taking the shots outside the home. His sentence is pretty minor.. the crown tries to appeal for more time.. appeal denied.

Unfortunately, with the way that our laws regarding gun safety are stated, that's likely the best outcome that could be expected. It's the same logic that resulted in a cop being convicted of Attempted Murder for shooting a corpse.
 
What a steaming pile this is. Justice system has completely lost the plot. Cop on-duty, with a gun, driving at 0.26 BAC and he gets a $3000 fine. What an embarrassment. Us vs them is so ingrained in the system that it's not even worth charging cops. All that does is increase the pain on taxpayers. No normal citizen would have gotten a remotely similar sentence. Judge should have at least handed out a lifetime firearm prohibition to help ease his firing at tribunal.


"Suspended with pay since January, Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) officer Christopher Prout has pleaded guilty to driving with more than three times the legal limit of alcohol in his system while on duty in a police cruiser with a gun on his hip."
 
No normal citizen would have gotten a remotely similar sentence.

Sentencing varies greatly even amongst the peasants...
There's this thing called a "pre sentence report" (PSR) that most convicted person have done.
Mrs. Gaoler wrote hundreds of 'em when she worked as a probation/parole officer.
Basically it's a report written for the judge where the offender gets to showcase their "story". Family history, input from said family, friends, employers and even the victims.
The report is used by the judge in deciding on an appropriate sentence
So, its completely plausible and indeed verified by Mrs. Gaoler that you could have two people found guilty of the same crime, but, given their personal/individual sob stories receive vastly different sentences.
 
Sentencing varies greatly even amongst the peasants...
There's this thing called a "pre sentence report" (PSR) that most convicted person have done.
Mrs. Gaoler wrote hundreds of 'em when she worked as a probation/parole officer.
Basically it's a report written for the judge where the offender gets to showcase their "story". Family history, input from said family, friends, employers and even the victims.
The report is used by the judge in deciding on an appropriate sentence
So, its completely plausible and indeed verified by Mrs. Gaoler that you could have two people found guilty of the same crime, but, given their personal/individual sob stories receive vastly different sentences.
Show me a normal citizen that was driving around drunk with a loaded gun that avoided jail and a firearm ban. Sentences can be personalized but this one was so far from typical that it deserves to be overturned by a higher court for bringing justice to disrepute. Now, it won't happen as prosecutors were ordered to protect the cop and the defense attorney is sure as hell not going to raise that appeal.
 
Show me a normal citizen that was driving around drunk with a loaded gun that avoided jail and a firearm ban.
Show me a normal Canadian citizen driving around with a firearm on their hip*, and I'll show you a unicorn.

*Legally
 
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