The Bad Drivers of Ontario Thread

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Rob MacLennan said:
Dangerous Operation Causing Death is worthy of deportation, if he's not a citizen.
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What is a reasonable scenario?

How many years before trial and hopefully conviction?

Factors

1) The perp wants to defer jail as long as possible so his lawyers stall. It also lets public anger subside or shift to another punk.

2) The police want enough time to get all the evidence so won't rush things.

Trial in a couple of years. Sentencing months later. The minimum sentence is $1000 plus a few months in jail. The max is life.

I'm guessing five to ten years and out on parole well before his 25th birthday.
 
nobbie48 said:
What is a reasonable scenario?

How many years before trial and hopefully conviction?

Factors

1) The perp wants to defer jail as long as possible so his lawyers stall. It also lets public anger subside or shift to another punk.

2) The police want enough time to get all the evidence so won't rush things.

Trial in a couple of years. Sentencing months later. The minimum sentence is $1000 plus a few months in jail. The max is life.

I'm guessing five to ten years and out on parole well before his 25th birthday.
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After causing a death? Not a citizen = likely a flight risk. Jailed until trial. We've had people in similar situations flee the country, before they could be made to pay for their crimes.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
After causing a death? Not a citizen = likely a flight risk. Jailed until trial. We've had people in similar situations flee the country, before they could be made to pay for their crimes.
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Credit for time served. I don't know if that's good or bad. If I was guilty of something I'd like to think pleading guilty ASAP and getting on with the jail time would have the reformed me getting back to a free life sooner.

The flip side is that jail in Canada is probably better than free in a third world country.
 
Cops finally found a driver they thought was bad enough to lay criminal negligence charges.

toronto.citynews.ca

Man arrested in high-speed collision killing 10-year-old child and her mother in Hamilton

The collision occurred in Hamilton around 9:30 p.m. on July 6, near the intersection of Trinity Church Road and Guyatt Road.
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Hamilton Police say they have arrested Jesse Wood, 24, of Hamilton, after he turned himself in to police on August 13, 2025.

His bail has been opposed and he faces the following charges:

  • Two counts of dangerous operation causing death;
  • Four counts of dangerous operation causing bodily harm;
  • Two counts of criminal negligence causing death;
  • Four counts of criminal negligence causing bodily harm;
  • Two counts of operation while impaired causing death;
  • Four counts of operation while Impaired causing bodily harm;
  • Stunt driving – 40 km/h over in a zone less than 80 km/h and;
  • Speeding 155 km/h in a 60 km/h zone
 
GreyGhost said:
Cops finally found a driver they thought was bad enough to lay criminal negligence charges.

toronto.citynews.ca

Man arrested in high-speed collision killing 10-year-old child and her mother in Hamilton

The collision occurred in Hamilton around 9:30 p.m. on July 6, near the intersection of Trinity Church Road and Guyatt Road.
toronto.citynews.ca toronto.citynews.ca

Hamilton Police say they have arrested Jesse Wood, 24, of Hamilton, after he turned himself in to police on August 13, 2025.

His bail has been opposed and he faces the following charges:

  • Two counts of dangerous operation causing death;
  • Four counts of dangerous operation causing bodily harm;
  • Two counts of criminal negligence causing death;
  • Four counts of criminal negligence causing bodily harm;
  • Two counts of operation while impaired causing death;
  • Four counts of operation while Impaired causing bodily harm;
  • Stunt driving – 40 km/h over in a zone less than 80 km/h and;
  • Speeding 155 km/h in a 60 km/h zone
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I count two dead, four injured, based on the charges.

It started with booze and inhibition issues. Does booze alter one’s perception of speed or alter one’s perception of their driving skills?

Or both.
 
Mikedezo44 said:
How was he not at the scene? An accident that bad surely his truck wouldn't be driveable? Also alcohol charges so how would they know if he was drunk if he left the accident somehow..
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I don't see any indications that he left the scene. I suspect the cops waited to charge him while they gathered evidence to make the long list of charges. Since he is charged with impaired but not over 80, I suspect he was impaired by drugs not booze. That likely needs blood test and analysis prior to charges. I'm not sure about roadside sobriety tests (eg walk the line) after a crash with closing speed of 200 km/h. I think a lawyer could pretty easily get reasonable doubt that you were wobbly because of the crash.
 
Mikedezo44 said:
How was he not at the scene? An accident that bad surely his truck wouldn't be driveable? Also alcohol charges so how would they know if he was drunk if he left the accident somehow..
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Circumstances suggest that he took off from the scene. I can't find any reporting on the Hamilton Police website or Facebook about the original incident. Odds are that they knew who he was because he was the owner of the car found at the scene, and they just had to track him down. Reeks of, "My lawyer told me to turn myself in, for Brownie Points."

I suspect that the impaired related charges will go away. Doubtful they can make them stick in any way.
 
GreyGhost said:
I don't see any indications that he left the scene. I suspect the cops waited to charge him while they gathered evidence to make the long list of charges. Since he is charged with impaired but not over 80, I suspect he was impaired by drugs not booze. That likely needs blood test and analysis prior to charges. I'm not sure about roadside sobriety tests (eg walk the line) after a crash with closing speed of 200 km/h. I think a lawyer could pretty easily get reasonable doubt that you were wobbly because of the crash.
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Also a distinct possibility.
 
GreyGhost said:
Hamilton Police say they have arrested Jesse Wood, 24, of Hamilton, after he turned himself in to police on August 13, 2025.
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No doubt that he thought it was his "right".

And when you read about politicians clamping down on speeding, the vast majority of people comment negatively and give it a thumbs down. Talk about hypocrites!
 
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MCT said:
No doubt that he thought it was his "right".

And when you read about politicians clamping down on speeding, the vast majority of people comment negatively and give it a thumbs down. Talk about hypocrites!
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The complaints that I most often hear about speed have to do with ridiculously low limits. A 30 Kmh limit is, in fact, ridiculous on a city street and is typically in place to protect cyclists and pedestrians from the consequences of their own actions, in my opinion. OK, Brampton is a bad example, but when I moved here Dixie Road was a two lane cattle track with no shoulders and a 50 MPH limit.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
The complaints that I most often hear about speed have to do with ridiculously low limits.
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Not from what I have seen on US based motorcycle forums were some states have implemented some very tough and very expensive speeding laws.

Of course juveniles on motorcycles are so pi$$ed off. Strange that they also complain about motorcycle insurance being so high. Thank me for adding to their premiums.
 
MCT said:
Not from what I have seen on US based motorcycle forums were some states have implemented some very tough and very expensive speeding laws.

Of course juveniles on motorcycles are so pi$$ed off. Strange that they also complain about motorcycle insurance being so high. Thank me for adding to their premiums.
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We are, however, on a Canadian Forum and talking about Ontario issues, for the most part ;)
 
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