Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

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How do you think Marc coped for 60,000 km in far wilder places than Northern Ontario? Watch the channel and see.
ANYWHERE there is an electrical outlet he can get fuel. It might take longer but he usually charged while he slept and for free.
You take edge cases like the Trans-Lab and try to generalize about EV motorcycles ....not on. :rolleyes:
I could say he rode through a flood completely submerged ....so what ...it's an edge case.
What Marc is currently riding is a sports bike - not a touring bike tho he showed it could be done for two years, also on a sports bike EVE - a sport Zero....even over the highest pass in the world.
Sure there were challenges but when you see what China is doing, they are leaving the rest of the planet in its dust as far as EV adoption goes. Watch the channel and see.
Other areas he rode in were far ahead of much or most of Canada in charging.

There are battery swaps for city EV bikes in several countries....I think Honda is participating in it.

EV motorcycles are coming ...solid state batteries will help, longer range due to density and lighter.
 
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MacDoc said:
How do you think Marc coped for 60,000 km in far wilder places than Northern Ontario? Watch the channel and see.
ANYWHERE there is an electrical outlet he can get fuel. It might take longer but he usually charged while he slept and for free.
You take edge cases like the Trans-Lab and try to generalize about EV motorcycles ....not on. :rolleyes:
I could say he rode through a flood completely submerged ....so what ...it's an edge case.
What Marc is currently riding is a sports bike - not a touring bike tho he showed it could be done for two years, also on a sports bike EVE - a sport Zero....even over the highest pass in the world.
Sure there were challenges but when you see what China is doing, they are leaving the rest of the planet in its dust as far as EV adoption goes. Watch the channel and see.
Other areas he rode in were far ahead of much or most of Canada in charging.

There are battery swaps for city EV bikes in several countries....I think Honda is participating in it.

EV motorcycles are coming ...solid state batteries will help, longer range due to density and lighter.
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The problem is the simplification of the issues and assumption that solutions can be imported from places with different cultures histories and infrastructures.

A point, his bike didn't get charged for free. The place where he was staying picked up the roughly $2.25 cost of electricity. A dozen bikes on a tour would set the hotel back about $20 a day, over $7K a year at full capacity. Dividend demands by investors will not tolerate that.

Government subsidies skew the numbers on a crapload of things we buy and it's more blatant with EV eco issues. What would products actually cost in a no subsidies, no monopolies world?

Start with your morning toast. While I'm not aware of government intervention in bread pricing and supply (Loblaws take note), the milk, eggs, wheat and butter are subject to "Adjustments".

The infrastructure: It's a fact of physics that to put 50 KW of electricity into a battery the 50 KW has to come from somewhere else. It could be from solar cells, windmills, waterfalls, nukes.

Solar is the perfect solution if you covered your vehicle with cells and are self-sufficient. In a perfect scenario (humour me) one might get a fraction of a Kw per hour. That might get you four or five kilometers before you stop for an hour to recharge, less if you use air conditioning or heat.

Sharing charge points: People hog parking spots through ignorance, abuse acceleration lanes, block you in traffic to save thirty seconds. Why would we expect differently at charge points?

The infrastructure changes, costs, and inconveniences, paid for by taxpayers, are beyond comprehension. Can you imagine the Eglington cross town fiasco being repeated on every street in the GTA?

Don't get me wrong. EV's can be good but people need to stop with the BS about things will get better unless there is birth to death accountability.
 
MacDoc said:
ANYWHERE there is an electrical outlet he can get fuel. It might take longer but he usually charged while he slept and for free.
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In fairness, he's riding internationally (not in North America) which means regular plug-in AC power is 240 volts. The capacity of the standard european Schuko plug is 16 amps. UK wall sockets are rated at 13 amps. Even if you reduce that to (let's say) 12 amps that's 2.8 kW of charging power. For that bike's 20ish kWh battery, it'll fully charge overnight even plugged into a simple everyday 240V european wall socket.

And, once again, the decision made long ago to use 120 volts for North American domestic power supply comes back to bite us.
 
Nobbie> Government subsidies skew the numbers on a crapload of things we buy and it's more blatant with EV eco issues. What would products actually cost in a no subsidies, no monopolies world?
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Yet you ignore the biggest elephant in the room fossil fuel subsidies. :rolleyes:

$2.25 each to lure 20 touring EV bikers to your accommodation and in most cases your eatery as well?? Chump change. :sneaky:
International touring bikers are a rounding error on motorcycle sales.
10 Apr 2025 — The company closed the fiscal year with total sales of 5.83 million units, reflecting 19 percent year-on-year growth. Honda's Killing It In India, Sold Nearly 6 Million Motorcycles ...
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The China Electric Two-Wheeler Market Size Was Worth USD 10.58 Billion in 2023 and Is Expected To Reach USD 23.87 Billion by 2032
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Don't project Torontos foibles with mass transit into the concept of affordable individual electric transport. :coffee:

And yeah 240 volt grid a big plus.
 
MacDoc said:
Yet you ignore the biggest elephant in the room fossil fuel subsidies. :rolleyes:

$2.25 each to lure 20 touring EV bikers to your accommodation and in most cases your eatery as well?? Chump change. :sneaky:
International touring bikers are a rounding error on motorcycle sales.


Don't project Torontos foibles with mass transit into the concept of affordable individual electric transport. :coffee:

And yeah 240 volt grid a big plus.
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That would probably include fossil fuel subsidies for natural gas going to NG generating stations to eventually charge EV's

The tax system is a form of a subsidy and I don't know of much that doesn't, directly or not, benefit from an injection of government (Taxpayer) money. User pay for highways and electricity to remote areas would crush most of the north. I dread to think of what things would cost if it wasn't for subsidies.

In business there is no such thing as chump change.

240 volts is safer and more efficient than 120 volts but to chicken littles, its scarier than an AK-47.
 
That's why government is NOT a business. Common weal gets lost in chasing fat quarterly earnings. Nation building requires concerted effort over time...not cherry picking the low hanging profits.
Democracy not so good at "concerted efforts".
 
Quick check in. 431 kms driven. 281 of those electric. 3.3 L/100 km consumption.

Those 281 kms cost me less than $11 in electricity as I have a full charge of 60 kms of battery range.

Electricity cost is including kWh of 11 cents and distribution and taxes bringing the cost to 18 cents per kWh.

Fuel tank is 80% full. Driving both city and highway.

More $ for petroleum for the bike!
 
FullMotoJacket said:
gizmodo.com

Tesla Makes a Desperate Move in Canada As Sales Collapse

Caught between a collapse in sales and punishing tariffs, the automaker is making a dramatic pivot, creating a bizarre pricing situation and leaving recent buyers with a serious case of regret.
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The used market seems very strong, cars are selling pretty quickly from what I saw when I was shopping for my Y. I am really impressed with the car, love the tech and simplicity of it. I would buy one again in a heart beat.

I do wonder how much Tesla is making from their charging stations. I have used one in Kitchener a few times and such a simple process, just drive up and plug in. No scanning or connecting with an app, everything is automatic. A really slick system compared with the slower chargers I have tried. The slower ones are not hard or overly complicated but just a few steps to get going compared to zero steps with Tesla.
 
Polestar 3 & 4's are having annoying software bug issues and credit where it's due but Tesla has that part figured out.
 
LBV said:
Polestar 3 & 4's are having annoying software bug issues and credit where it's due but Tesla has that part figured out.
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I have not had a Tesla long enough to really know anything about released software updates, but I can imagine that being a real headache if a bad ones goes out because of how software driven these vehicles are, especially with FSD. One bad update could create chaos.
 
Brian P said:
People across the street have traded in their Ioniq 5 for a BMW iX.
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One of those where it seems the BMW design team has been taking the endless memes about their expanding grill sizes as a personal challenge. They're a little behind schedule, but not by much:

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Flip side is I think the Ioniq 5 is an absolute stunner, a futuristic take on a hot hatch that looks like they've made a lot of effort to keep the mass low.

As it will be forever and ever, there's no accounting for taste...
 
Priller said:
One of those where it seems the BMW design team has been taking the endless memes about their expanding grill sizes as a personal challenge. They're a little behind schedule, but not by much:

Flip side is I think the Ioniq 5 is an absolute stunner, a futuristic take on a hot hatch that looks like they've made a lot of effort to keep the mass low.

As it will be forever and ever, there's no accounting for taste...
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Yeah, the iX isn't to my liking, but ... it isn't my car.
 
Brian P said:
Yeah, the iX isn't to my liking, but ... it isn't my car.
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Touché. If everyone drove the cars *I* like, the roads would be a very different place.

Lots more hatchbacks and station wagons, for a start...
 
danp said:

Battery charger sparks fire at Collingwood home causing $400,000 damage​


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Battery charger sparks fire at Collingwood home causing $400,000 damage

A battery charger in an attached garage appears to have caused a fire at a Collingwood home Tuesday morning, according to an official.
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Was the charger properly wired? Was it in use at the time? What brand?

On a related note, B.C. ferries will no longer transport damaged or disabled EVs so plan your EV trip to Vancouver Island carefully. A software glitch may leave you stranded if service isn't available on the island. No flatbedding.
 
I just love it :rolleyes: when I'm talking to someone and they find out I have an EV, and then they go on about how Electric Cars catch fire and I patiently listen and nod and wait for them to finish so I can hit them with the fact that I'm a 911 dispatcher for the Fire department and for over 10 years of dispatching for the Entire Region of Peel I have had exactly ONE EV Fire and it was because of a collision....and we get car fires like everyday.

Any hint of an electric car fire the news jumps on it, and people like this eat it up.
 
slowbird said:
I just love it :rolleyes: when I'm talking to someone and they find out I have an EV, and then they go on about how Electric Cars catch fire and I patiently listen and nod and wait for them to finish so I can hit them with the fact that I'm a 911 dispatcher for the Fire department and for over 10 years of dispatching for the Entire Region of Peel I have had exactly ONE EV Fire and it was because of a collision....and we get car fires like everyday.

Any hint of an electric car fire the news jumps on it, and people like this eat it up.
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