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Evoex said:
If someone can come up with an alternative to people going to the hospital when they feel sick, then it would accelerate a return to normal.
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Easy - if OHIP stops accepting virtual appointment billings.

There are a lot of lazy ass family doctors and NPs who are comfy collecting consults by phone. Less operating cost, less time, same money. Many have not returned to in-office visits yet (mine included).

GPs and NPs referring 'take 2 aspirins and call me in the morning' cases to the hospitals are starting to be reported to the College for discipline. Who knows what they will do, but hospitals are getting pisst.
 
Mikedezo44 said:
Just don't complain when you die.
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I've yet to see anyone complain after they died.*

*one (alleged) case of some white guy in the Middle East many centuries ago (allegedly) with a dozen white friends/entourage may have muttered "worst bender ever" several days after dying.

Or not.
 
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Evoex said:
The issue with your logic is when other peoples decisions effect me or you. Someone on here once said (@Brian P maybe?) "you have the right to swing your fists around in the air as much as you like, until it connects with my face." I'd say that sums up my view on these 'decisions' perfectly.
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Close (but you got the idea bang on). "Your right to swing your fist ends where your neighbor's nose begins." I didn't coin that ... I read it somewhere ... but that was probably 30 or 40 years ago, so who knows where it originated.
 
GreyGhost said:
It's not that simple with this. If we hit triage levels, I doubt that vaccination status can factor into triage decisions. They look at you and guess at years of life left if they save you. Would you feel the same way if you drew the short straw in triage and got moved to the fridge instead of treatment?
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Yes I knew the number of/lack of hospital bed point was going to come up after I typed that..I am confident the worst is behind us and the previous lockdowns and preventative measures should help us come out the other side of this. If it gets to that point it will be end of world type panic, if there is one thing I've learned in the last 2 years has been the selfishness of others and toilet paper will be of short supply. We are solely reliant on the food of grocery store shelves and within a week or two we will all be starving before I worry about the number of hospital beds for friends or family. Our short life on this earth means absolutely nothing.
 
Mad Mike said:
There are a lot of lazy ass family doctors and NPs who are comfy collecting consults by phone. Less operating cost, less time, same money. Many have not returned to in-office visits yet (mine included).
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Mine is doing both virtual and in-office appointments. For my prescription renewals it makes more sense to do it over the phone. Less time spent for both of us.
 
Rex Murphy published an excellent opinion on the continued marginalization of the unvaccinated when we have almost the highest vaccination rates and general good compliance with mandates.

Rex Murphy

“Mark this down: COVID-19 is the greatest notwithstanding clause the Constitution will ever see.”

Rex Murphy

nationalpost.com

Rex Murphy: Last year's hope fades into perpetual COVID nightmare

A year ago, the vaccines offered hope, a light at the end of the long tunnel of plague. Yet here we are, one year later, and the light seems even further afield
nationalpost.com nationalpost.com
 
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Brian P said:
Close (but you got the idea bang on). "Your right to swing your fist ends where your neighbor's nose begins." I didn't coin that ... I read it somewhere ... but that was probably 30 or 40 years ago, so who knows where it originated.
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earliest on record - John B. Finch
 
ifiddles said:
just started reading a book by Robert F. Kennedy called 'The Real Anthony Fauci'...reading about all these doctors who did studies and actually practiced treating Covid-19 using a variety of medicines currently available (antihistamines, steroids, antibiotics, anti-inflammatories, aspiring, nasal washes, bronchodilators and blood thinners) but were shut down/told to stop because Fauci pushed his vaccination protocol...haven't looked into it further yet but I plan on reading/watching up on Dr. David Brownstein and Dr. Peter McCullough...
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In fairness, Robert F Kennedy Jr is known for spreading antivaxxer nonsense, and is absolutely not to be considered a credible source on these matters: How Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Became the Anti-vaxxer Icon of America’s Nightmares
 
@Brian P and @hdsomeday I know nothing (other than his lineage) about R.F.K. Jr...I haven't made it far enough into the book yet to have formed an opinion, just reading up on some of the studies that have been done on treatments that exist but have been shut down by Fauci and the NIH...once I'm done, I'll get back to you guys...
 
Mad Mike said:
As for strong arming... sometimes that's necessary. I don't see it as a slippery slope thing, I see it as a practical consequence (not punishment) for the few who inflicted so much pain
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Founded on nothing, I believe we could have achieved similar or better results with a kinder more thoughtful campaign.
You can't blame people for questioning the vaccine given it's miraculously fast development/release coupled with all the conflicting information coming from multiple "expert" sources... Then pile on the fascism demonstrated by various levels of gov't and well... here we are.
Anti-vax and Vax-questioning aren't the same...
 
I can blame people for questioning because the majority of the length of time that a drug spends in trials can be artificial anyway. Look up “orphan drug status” and you’ll see what I mean. The first synthetic antibiotic (and one of the most successful) was trialed in the inventors own daughter and saved her life. Aspirin, one of the most successful drugs in history, was used to treat the inventors father and if it went through trials today would never have made it to market. Furthermore we are talking about vaccines and these are different to synthetic drugs for a number of reasons nd tend not to have the same kinds of side effects anyway.

So much of the hesitancy comes down to people not wanting to spend the time to understand what’s going on and preferring to parrot what some others tell them without thinking. This hesitancy damages us as a society and it has real world downstream effects on lots of things. I know people with delayed cancer diagnoses that can be directly attributed to non-vaccinated (by choice in most cases) assclowns clogging up the system because of their selfish, immature and illogical beliefs.
 
Lots of people talking about “ripping off the bandaid” and getting back to normal. They are comparing the COVID pandemic to the only other pandemics we have seen before, influenza ones. Here’s a neat article that partly explains why you can’t really do that.


Now the dichotomy, the same people complaining about how it wasn’t safe to “rush” the development of the vaccine (not rushed though at all if you look at context and history of development) are the ones saying we should rush to get back to normal in what would be a reckless way (clogging up the healthcare system, having large numbers of key workers off sick at once, all the time not understanding what the long term effects of this virus are).

Consider this…a key symptom of infection has been loss of taste and smell. That’s neurological. The brain. It’s worrying a lot of medical professionals. We know less about dealing with issues in the brain than really any other part of the anatomy and brain issues can develop very slowly. Epilepsy brought on by a head trauma can manifest in seizures many years after the trauma.
 
Final thought….we’ve known about the things I describe above for nearly 2h years now. So treating people calmly and giving them the benefit of the doubt and making it just about a personal (selfish) choice to not get vaccinated or to not abide by some simple rules to avoid infections/infecting people, that’s all out the window. That ship has sailed. We are fresh out of carrots. It’s the year of the stick. To repeat ad nauseum you do have a choice to not get vaccinated …. you will also have to suffer the consequences of your choices. For 2022 we could call it “doing a Novak”.
 
jc100 said:
Consider this…a key symptom of infection has been loss of taste and smell. That’s neurological. The brain. It’s worrying a lot of medical professionals.
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Well... it's been demonstrated that few actually use their brain anyway so... No great loss.
I remember my mom telling me sometimes after I'd done something dumb
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"Dear... If you had two brains you'd be twice as stupid"
 
We have a vaccination hesitant friend , she has underlying health issues , fluid are the heart and others . She is equally terrified of getting Covid and getting the vaccination.
Works from home and really can’t go anywhere . Doesn’t even shop much other than basics .

I would not care to have her life . It’s depressing.


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Hack said:
Founded on nothing, I believe we could have achieved similar or better results with a kinder more thoughtful campaign.
You can't blame people for questioning the vaccine given it's miraculously fast development/release coupled with all the conflicting information coming from multiple "expert" sources... Then pile on the fascism demonstrated by various levels of gov't and well... here we are.
Anti-vax and Vax-questioning aren't the same...
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What is the basis of your belief? What training or education do you have that entitles you to spread your belief to people unaware of your credentials?

What treatment would you suggest for basil cell skin cancer?

What would your first step be in removing an appendix?

Warfarin vs Xeralto as a blood thinner? Debate

Who gets the credit/blame for being fast? I'm not knocking the people in the labs but many of the things they have achieved has been because of the people that went before them, developing computers and the internet. Things happen faster now. Salk didn't have the internet or a computer while developing the polio vaccine.

I complain my microwave isn't fast enough. My grandmother had to chop wood.
 
Mad Mike said:
I don't think anyone even thought there were so many anti-vaxxers out there. Even around here, there were chuckles and jokes about that guy driving a 30 year old Winnebago around downtown evangelizing anti-vaxxing from his motorhome -- he was dismissed as a kook.

Whe the vaccines finally hit, most of the country did a fist pump then waited for a vaccine. If you recall, JT bungled the rollout, as time went buy the US politicized antivaxxing and some of the same sentiments started spilling over the border. I firmly believe if the Feds had managed our allocations better and rolled out faster, the anti-vax movement would not have had the time to grow.

Today 80+% are double dosed. Considering 6% of the population is too young to be vaxed, that would put the number of eligibles at closer to 90% today. That small percentage of 'unvaxed' are taking up the lions share of hospital beds which is simply making a bad situation last a lot longer. In 2021, 90% of all Covid hospitalizations and deaths in Canada were unvaccinated persons.

The unvaccinated overloaded the healthcare system and placed a heavy burden on health care workers, largely nurses. Not just Covid treatments, the whole system. As family docs moved to virtual healthcare, thousands of people were channeled to hospitals for routine things that would be handled at walk-ins and by GPs - further taxing the system.

As for strong arming... sometimes that's necessary. I don't see it as a slippery slope thing, I see it as a practical consequence (not punishment) for the few who inflicted so much pain on the plenty.
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Here goes the ball in a different direction. I see the anti-vaxxers the same way I see the "Free man on the land" types and the perpetual motion advocates. Talk all they want but it doesn't work.

It is a waste of time arguing with unqualified people that can make up untraceable facts that are the beginning of a never ending series of wild goose chases.

The question, "How many boosters would you take" is hypothetical. One or two a year doesn't bother me but one or two a day does. How many I would take is too dependent on personal situations.
 
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