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Rossi hanging around well past his prime has caused a lot of the problems for Yamaha
he should have hung it up a few years ago and let the younger riders move up
but the guy is such a marketing phenom, they couldn't say no to him

Mav being unstable is not something they had much control over
the guy has much natural talent and seemed to be a good fit for the bike/program

Frankie will likely play out this season with SRT when he returns and join the factory team next year
don't forget he is VR46 Academy grad, he will play along and be a good soldier
 
Only question now is whether Aprilia can find a way to get Vinales on their bike before the end of the year. It's unlikely to be in a racing role, though with Savadori out it would be possible. I just doubt they want him to have his first go with the scrutiny of a race weekend, as he won't be competitive and they'll want to start out on a positive note. Maybe they can get him on for a test or two before the offseason, though, to get a jump on preparations for next year. Either way, they'll have a motivated rider, as a poor showing with Aprilia likely would mean the end of his GP career. Hopefully they have a contact for whichever shrink seems to have successfully turned Quartararo from an over-emotional nutcase into a zen master.

As for Yamaha, if Bezzecchi does end up at VR46 (blood money or no), they are in a bit of a spot. The whatever-SRT-will-be-called team will no longer have the latest bikes and a much smaller budget as they hunt for a sponsor, so luring a young talent from Moto2 got a lot harder. Assuming Morbido goes to the factory team (his agreement to have a new bike in 2022 would seem to guarantee that), they now have two notable less competitive seats to fill. Meanwhile, Ducati has half the grid on new bikes...
 
Crutchlow (Crashlow) binning a Yamaha instead of a Honda on race day.

I hate Lin Jarvis. I've never seen him interview and I understand race day is serious but he just looks like a miserable p.o.s.
 
This him? He looks happy here.
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I have to believe MV ends up running a fews races with Aprilia this year, probably as soon as Aragon.

Notwithstanding MV's behavioural issues, he would still be a significant upgrade over Savadori, and he gets to run the bike for a few races to give feedback for its development next year. Arguably, MV would be Aprilia's best rider since their return, so they ought to take as much input as they can get. Selfishly, I want to see how good the bike is with a rider with a winning pedigree.
 
Few other random thoughts:

Jorge Martin. I think we're seeing the start of something potentially big with him here. He's a rookie on a satellite team (that's never won a race before!) and he wins a race. His rise to the factory team is inevitable. Question then becomes is who he replaces at the factory. Bagnaia is 2nd in points; Miller has won 2 races. I think Bagnaia has more potential than Jack, but 2 wins is still 2 wins. Then again, Ducati have a somewhat ruthless history with its riders, so I can see them moving Martin to the factory and Jack back to Pramac.

KTM (via moto3; moto2) and now Ducati (via 8 bikes in GP) now have talent pipelines that may leave Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki shut out if they don't adapt.

In my opinion KTM has the best model since they are able to capture talent at the lower level and keep them attached until KTM decides it's time to go (Martin being the one exception - I am not sure how that went down but KTM does regret it). Granted it helps that KTM has Ajo in their pipeline, they are a great (the best?) performing organization in the lower series. AND they're reloading again - Moto2 is going to have Pedro Acosta and Augusto Fernandez.

Ducati have 8 bikes which can now allow them to sign young talent (not in the KTM pipeline) and can grow them through their team setup - something like Gresini (VR46) -> Pramac (VR46) -> Ducati (I think you will see Bastianini progress through this pipeline if he performs).

Yamaha, all of a sudden, with a soon-to-be rag tag customer team, is going to lose the benefits of having a strong satellite team. If SRT (and their seemingly large Petronas wallet) weren't there, Quartararo and Morbidelli would not have ultimately landed on their factory. Honda now has an enigmatic reputation and I think getting riders to sign with Honda re going to be more difficult since they are going to have to rely on signing available talent when it comes up. With 2 bikes, Suzuki has the simple risk of not being able to have a larger roster of riders, so they have to get their signings right (I will acknowledge that Mir and Rins is a solid lineup)
 
Confirmed by Lin Jarvis…

Morbidelli to the factory team.

Dovi on the satellite Yamaha beginning with Misano.


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Supposedly the satellite Yamaha team next year will have a factory spec bike for Dovizioso. An italian sponsor (withU) is going to be the primary for the team. TBD for the 2nd bike.
 
who is the sat team for Yamaha next year?
SRT and Petronas are done with MotoGP

Dovi is too fast and too well like to sit
eff Ducati

thrilled for Aleix and Aprilia today

can't wait to see the Problem Child on the RS-GP
he's gonna be fast AF on that bike and the chip on his shoulder
 
who is the sat team for Yamaha next year?
SRT and Petronas are done with MotoGP

Dovi is too fast and too well like to sit
eff Ducati

thrilled for Aleix and Aprilia today

can't wait to see the Problem Child on the RS-GP
he's gonna be fast AF on that bike and the chip on his shoulder

A couple of the current SRT principles (Johan Stigefelt, Razlan Razali) are apparently buying the team from SRT (I suspect it's one of those $1 deals) - Johan Stigefelt originally owned the team when it started in Moto2 before SRT took it over
 
Silverstone wasn't super exciting for the win, but I was chewing through my nails waiting for the inevitable drop-off from Aleix in the podium fight. When Miller went through on the last lap, I figured that was it, conditioned by a year of fading results. When Aleix went straight back on him, the hollering from my house meant nobody in my neighbourhood was sleeping in anymore. Worst bit was the inevitable cutaway to Quartararo crossing the line for the win, and waiting to see if the Aprilia was still in front going onto the straight...

(I was also part of the multitudes booted from the Dorna feed, so had to watch a bootleg BT stream on my phone...)

Barring an injury catastrophe, Quartararo has locked up the title with that definitive win. It was possibly his most impressive race, coolly dispatching the competition early on, then putting the hammer down to break the field. You felt like he was riding with a lot of speed in reserve, too.

Michelin had a shocker of a weekend, caught totally off guard with the cold weather. Bagnaia was the most obvious victim, but lots of riders went straight backwards after about five laps. Considering Yamaha bookended the field, with the top finisher and the bottom three finishers, something really stinky was going on. Almost as stinky as Marquez punting Martin and hearing not a work from the marshalls...

Back to Aprilia, official word this morning is that the Misano test with Vinales is going so well that he'll be replacing Savadori for the balance of the season. He apparently turned a 1:33.0 yesterday, within a second of race pace from last year. Not bad for a first day on a bike. With Morbidelli heading to the factory team and Dovi returning to Yamaha this year, it's almost like we've skipped ahead to 2022 already.

Apparently Dovizioso brings enough sponsorship money that 'The Team Formerly Known as SRT' will have A-spec bikes next year as well. I'm happy to see him back, but it's a shame that a rider like Lecuona is getting bounced from the series just as he's starting to show signs of figuring it out.
 
Good race today, but if you're pressed for time, the last 2-3 laps are basically most of the action up front.

I'm liking the WSBK Superpole Sprint Race format a lot better. 10 laps of balls-out, unbridled aggression - no worries about tire conservation at all. Too many of the 45-minute races are just 35 minutes of pacing and it's only the last 10 minutes that actually get interesting.
 
I'm liking the WSBK Superpole Sprint Race format a lot better. 10 laps of balls-out, unbridled aggression - no worries about tire conservation at all. Too many of the 45-minute races are just 35 minutes of pacing and it's only the last 10 minutes that actually get interesting.
For all out racing, yeah WSBK does provide a more high paced race, but to be honest Moto3 beats them all by a large margin if that's what you are looking for--I personally prefer moto3 over GP 1/2 the time. (I really wished they kept the Moto3, MotoGP, Moto2 format because I risk falling asleep between 3 and GP, but commercial rights and advertisers would be going nuts if it happened more than a few weekends.) But, I think a large part of racing as a craft has always been about tire and fuel conservation, it's fine to go all out in the opening laps, but to quote Ron Dennis

To finish first, first you have to finish

There is little merit in simply having a race like Moto2 this weekend where riders just kept crashing and thinking that was a display of the best riders, the same applies with not having a rider mind the fuel or tires, or bad reliability for that matter.

These categories are supposed to have the best pilots on 2 wheels, they need to have the total package to be racing these machines and if they cannot compete than it's hard to envision they are going to do much better by resorting to what are merely gimmicks to keep WSBK viewership numbers up--reverse order or SP. TBH, I have had access to WSBK since I started wathcing GP on a regular basis in 2015 and I can't remember the last time I watched a race weekend in its entirety, let alone one I actually enjoyed outside the SP races.

Good race today, but if you're pressed for time, the last 2-3 laps are basically most of the action up front.
The build up was just as crucial, I think, but yeah... the duel was very fascinating, it seems like neither Marc nor the HRC are at their full potential. It's clear 2019 Marc was the pinnacle of domination, but despite being a 93 fan, for the sport's sake I really hope we never see another season like that.

I really want to see a Mir and Marc swap paint more moving forward, and perhaps a resurgent Mav on an Aprillia might finally live up to his potential, too. Fabio could also win this championship this year but I think I'm more excited about Marc vs Mir going at it in the future.

(I was also part of the multitudes booted from the Dorna feed, so had to watch a bootleg BT stream on my phone...)

Heh, this never gets old and I still have to LOL at this.

Miss you, JC!
 
Not one for the ages, but that fight back from Bagnaia was very impressive. Marquez tried everything to rattle him, but ended up being the one to make a mistake by pushing so hard. Pecco has come so close so many times this year, so it was great to see him finally seal the deal. I think he has more potential than Miller, but just needs to get his head straight so he's less affected by problems.

I'm not sure if Quartararo got hit with the mystery Michelin issues that were so prevalent at Silverstone (and nobody is allowed to talk about, apparently, even if it's full-on chunking like happened to Oliviera a few rounds ago), but either way, it makes things a lot more interesting. I still think Mir is a more credible challenger than Pecco, if only because of his and Suzuki's consistency.

I was quietly hopeful for Aleix, but he just couldn't stick with Mir. Still, fourth shows the podium wasn't a fluke and the bike is on the right track. Vinales did as well as expected under the circumstances. Nothing shocking, but still lots of work to do. Apparently they kept everything exactly the same as Aleix's bike except they raised the footpegs 10 mm, so I'm sure he'll pick up time as those changes get implemented. It's really all about building for next year anyway...

I'm liking the WSBK Superpole Sprint Race format a lot better. 10 laps of balls-out, unbridled aggression - no worries about tire conservation at all. Too many of the 45-minute races are just 35 minutes of pacing and it's only the last 10 minutes that actually get interesting.
I think the MotoGP racing this year has been amazing, personally. I enjoy the cat-and-mouse of tire management, and hate the lottery drama of a flag-to-flag. Everything is super close, and I can't think of a recent round where there hasn't been a good battle for at least a podium spot. The strengths of the different bikes combined with the different riding styles is easy to spot, too, so there's been some great fights where strengths in some sectors are offset by weaknesses elsewhere.

The results at Aragon suggest the championship isn't quite as locked up as it appeared, too, though it'll have to mean someone finds some consistency as well as Quartararo having some bad weekends.

Heh, this never gets old and I still have to LOL at this.
This was the first time I've had an issue with the Dorna feed in absolutely ages, to be fair. Otherwise, it's a fantastic service and having access to pretty much every session on demand is great, including critical ones like FP4, which are often a good glimpse into who has good race pace. I still miss Toby Moody and Julian Ryder, but the current commentary team is pretty good. Simon Crafar is great, too.

My only beef is I haven't found a way to start the race from the beginning while it's live without being spoiled by seeing the live feed to start. This past Sunday, for example, we got up with the intention of watching live, but a dog with the runs ruined those plans. We had to wait until the race was over, as well as all the post-race interviews and podium celebrations to start from the beginning in the 'Spoiler Free' section.

I won't get on my high horse about piracy, but personally I don't mind paying for a series that I get so much entertainment out of, and I believe it helps keep the racing healthy. It's not that expensive in the grand scheme of things, especially when compared to other services I'm more ambivalent about, like DAZN (Premier League plus Serie A made sense, but losing Serie A makes it a lot less interesting). Sure, Dorna is a classic European sports monopoly, but they've done a decent job with the series, especially when compared to the shambles of F1...
 
I know this is a function of the bikes all being relatively evenly matched, especially when comparing to previous eras, but I hear about tires falling off, I go into a stupor. I don't know what the solution is (maybe thicker tires??) but as soon as I hear bellyaching about the tires, I just want to yell "well the race winner seems to be ok!"

It happens in F1 too, which is a large part why I've stopped watching recently.

I don't watch World Superbike, are tires a constant subject there too?
 
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I know this is a function of the bikes all being relatively evenly matched, especially when comparing to previous eras, but I hear about tires falling off, I go into a stupor. I don't know what the solution is (maybe thicker tires??) but as soon as I hear bellyaching about the tires, I just want to yell "well the race winner seems to be ok!"
There's tires falling off because of some fault in the bike or rider (aggressive riding style, pushing too hard early, getting stuck in traffic, bike over/underloading somewhere, etc.) and then there's the issue this year which has been random sets having different grip despite supposedly having the same compound. This is a point of contention in the paddock, but there has obviously been some sort of gag order (either from Michelin or Dorna), as nobody will talk openly about it - too little bellyaching, even. All you get is riders and teams talking about mysterious 'grip' issues. Even Oliviera's obviously chunked tire from earlier in the season didn't get much public discussion from the rider or the team.

Michelin have said that Covid supply issues have forced them to reuse some tires, but there are definitely some QC issues that have severely affected some riders' races. Look at Bagnaia after the restart in Austria following the fiery Pedrosa crash: same rider, same bike, same track temps, huge lap time difference. The problem with having the bikes so close to one another is small differences become magnified.

The issue isn't with thickness or wear as much as it is keeping the rubber on the right side of sticky without it losing cohesion (the old Bridgestones were notorious for only working well within a very narrow temperature range, which rewarded riders with full-grip high corner speed like Lorenzo, but punished riders who liked a looser bike.) It's not even about which tires work with which bikes (KTM losing the compound they developed their bike for, for example, or the non-Marc Hondas only working well with lower track temps).

The issue is that teams can work all weekend to develop a setup for a specific compound, only to find that the Sunday tire is slightly different and they've lost a tenth or a quarter. The racing is so close these days, losing a tenth can be the difference between a podium and 8th.
 

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