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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

8 year, 160,000KM warranty on all GM electrical drivetrain components..including the entirety of the battery.

So yeah, uh..no. But like usual, don't let facts get in the way of a good GM bashing story.

How are all those Honda IMA battery failures going, by the way?
 
PrivatePilot said:
8 year, 160,000KM warranty on all GM electrical drivetrain components..including the entirety of the battery.

So yeah, uh..no. But like usual, don't let facts get in the way of a good GM bashing story.

How are all those Honda IMA battery failures going, by the way?
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Facts?

quote: "GM’s actions are perhaps a bit unexpected. Rather than seeking out affected units and replacing cells or battery packs, the automaker says it will perform a software update"



I could see GM using their "40% battery degradation allowance" clause (which means a loss of around 100 miles range) as stated in their warranty and denying a new battery.

Lets see how the mighty General plays this one out.


more action here... https://electricrevs.com/2018/04/02/new-details-emerge-as-a-few-bolt-ev-packs-continue-to-fail/
 
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Article says they've already replaced a couple of battery packs. Evidently (from the linked articles) the failure rate is <~1% on the early build cars and the 2018 models are not affected. The problem shows up early; this is not a degradation issue.

Honda's battery-failure rate on the IMA systems was waaaaayy higher and persisted much longer through several model years ...
 
Brian P said:
Article says they've already replaced a couple of battery packs. Evidently (from the linked articles) the failure rate is <~1% on the early build cars and the 2018 models are not affected. The problem shows up early; this is not a degradation issue.

Honda's battery-failure rate on the IMA systems was waaaaayy higher and persisted much longer through several model years ...
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For GM to issue a "Recall/statement" and apparently may be on the NHTSA websites points to a bigger problem as more cases present themselves.
 
Thus far this is NOT a NHTSA safety recall. At this point it's a TSB. The actions so far indicate that GM wants to keep a closer eye on battery charge status and warn drivers earlier if abnormalities are detected. One way or another, they will take care of it and the sky is not falling.
 
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caboose56 said:
So it failed because of PR and dumb American buyers?

Nothing related to the build or technology in the car is deemed a failure? Did you read the same article as the rest of us?
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I don't think the Volt/Bolt are failures from either a marketing or technology perspective. This is a new market and as such is attracting early adopters excited about the technology. The technology is working, by most accounts better then expected. EVs have yet to prove economic viability in the mass market - this will remain a very large obstacle to becoming a mainstream product.

The first car to 'promise' economic viability, Tesla 3, seems to be stumbling out of the gate. Either the technology or build cost is holding back the $35KUSD car from rolling under the 50,000 drivers who have plunked down a deposit. Tesla faces mounting obstacles, we'll see if they ever get there.

GMs cars seem to be on the right track and they seem to be getting closer on price. A base Volt is cheaper than a Tesla 3, but not cheap enough because it competes with Cruze, Civic, and Corolla. Volts need to meet or beat the 5 year cost of owning a Cruze, that's off in the distance even with Govt incentives. Tesla 3 is positioned itself against entry Lexus, Infinity and BMW cars, the additional cache changes the economics for them.

If gov't incentives go away, it could be game over for everyone.
 
Mad Mike said:
I don't think the Volt/Bolt are failures from either a marketing or technology perspective. This is a new market and as such is attracting early adopters excited about the technology. The technology is working, by most accounts better then expected. EVs have yet to prove economic viability in the mass market - this will remain a very large obstacle to becoming a mainstream product.

The first car to 'promise' economic viability, Tesla 3, seems to be stumbling out of the gate. Either the technology or build cost is holding back the $35KUSD car from rolling under the 50,000 drivers who have plunked down a deposit. Tesla faces mounting obstacles, we'll see if they ever get there.

GMs cars seem to be on the right track and they seem to be getting closer on price. A base Volt is cheaper than a Tesla 3, but not cheap enough because it competes with Cruze, Civic, and Corolla. Volts need to meet or beat the 5 year cost of owning a Cruze, that's off in the distance even with Govt incentives. Tesla 3 is positioned itself against entry Lexus, Infinity and BMW cars, the additional cache changes the economics for them.

If gov't incentives go away, it could be game over for everyone.
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Pretty much agree with all of this.

In the time between Tesla announcing the Model 3 and accepting deposits and now...... quite a few new options have appeared in this marketplace. I think the appeal of the Model 3 is diminishing as time passes and more options become available.
 
caboose56 said:
Pretty much agree with all of this.

In the time between Tesla announcing the Model 3 and accepting deposits and now...... quite a few new options have appeared in this marketplace. I think the appeal of the Model 3 is diminishing as time passes and more options become available.
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GM did make one very large EV goof up, the Cadillac ELR.

A Volt in Caddy clothing, the ELR should have been priced against the Tesla 3, not the Tesla X. If I were GM, I'd keep the VOLT LT as my entry, replace the Volt Premier with the ELR. I'd then honour the $1000 deposits pledged by 50,000 anxious TESLA 3 buyers as incentive to buy a $48K ELR instead.

I'd be first in line.
 
Mad Mike said:
GM did make one very large EV goof up, the Cadillac ELR.

A Volt in Caddy clothing, the ELR should have been priced against the Tesla 3, not the Tesla X. If I were GM, I'd keep the VOLT LT as my entry, replace the Volt Premier with the ELR. I'd then honour the $1000 deposits pledged by 50,000 anxious TESLA 3 buyers as incentive to buy a $48K ELR instead.

I'd be first in line.
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At the right price I think the ELR would fly out of showrooms. It really is a shame that the price was so very wrong ($78,000 for a 0 to 60 in 6.5 2 door?).
 
GreyGhost said:
At the right price I think the ELR would fly out of showrooms. It really is a shame that the price was so very wrong ($78,000 for a 0 to 60 in 6.5 2 door?).
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One more thing (actually 2 more things), the ELR should be a 4 door.
 
caboose56 said:
In the time between Tesla announcing the Model 3 and accepting deposits and now...... quite a few new options have appeared in this marketplace
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Tesla really screwed up announcing the M3 years before they could actually send it the door.

It would be like Apple announcing some awesome new disruptive product...and then not being able to get it to market for 2,3, or 4 years. It would surprise nobody that some other more nimble / capable company would realize an opportunity to act faster (and steal the market) instead in the meantime.

This is what’s happening with the M3 market right now - lots of people cancelling and buying some of the other “available right now” options instead of waiting maybe another 6-36 months down the road (who knows after all the delays to date) for their mythical $35K USD M3.
 
Hmmmm. For something with 100,000 km and a rebuilt title the price still seems high to me honestly.

At $10,000 I might be interested but I would certainly do my due diligence with GM to make sure that all of the Voltec warrantees are still in place despite being branded rebuilt. Sounds to me like it took a side impact collision and I would want the insurance coverage in case there was hidden battery or electronics damage that doesn’t make itself known for six or 12 months down the road.

And I would plan to drive it into the ground as well...since it’s future resale value (with higher mileage and that brand on its ownership) will be severely impacted.
 
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PrivatePilot said:
Hmmmm. For something with 100,000 km and a rebuilt title the price still seems high to me honestly.

At $10,000 I might be interested but I would certainly do my due diligence with GM to make sure that all of the Voltec warrantees are still in place despite being branded rebuilt. Sounds to me like it took a side impact collision and I would want the insurance coverage in case there was hidden battery or electronics damage that doesn’t make it still known for six or 12 months down the road.

And I would plan to drive it into the ground as well...since it’s future resale value (with higher mileage and that brand on its ownership) will be severely impacted.
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I had similar thoughts about price (I also thought $10K would be the 'right' price), and also future retail is going to take a hit so I better keep it forever.

Good point about the battery warranty.

If it was silver, white or black I'd be a lot more excited about it.
 
Yeah, that’s my absolutely least favorite of any GM colour option.

By the way, I got the buyers guide thing about 3/4 done but just couldn’t find enough hours in the weekend. Lots to cover and I’m a perfectionist with that sort of thing.
 
https://barrie.ctvnews.ca/gas-prices-expected-to-jump-six-cents-this-week-in-barrie-1.3879102

“The fact is that prices for fuel have nowhere to go but up and it looks like were headed towards a very expensive summer, likely the most expensive we’ve seen in about a decade.”

McTeague says prices will likely climb near $1.40 a litre.
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News is out gas is going up about 3-5c/L tonight - all the local stations are lined up out onto the roads around here.

Fingers crossed for a charging solution for my wife at work. Even at the Volt's miserly consumption when running on the engine, that's gonna sting. I just refilled mine a few days ago after my wife stopped driving it to work when she got hers back (which put a crimp in my goal of 5000KM on a tank, made it to just under 3000KM before she blew through the remainder of the 25L or so that was still in the car) and I should be good through to July or maybe August now, barring any more unforeseen circumstances.

Sure glad I don't own my Magnum anymore, 16L/100KM city.
 
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Mad Mike said:
Who lines up to save $2 bucks?
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People do it!

A local station had a big promo and was selling gas for 10 cents a litre less than other stations nearby.

The line up was so long there was Police directing traffic.

People are dumb.
 
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