Another one-Georgia school shooter released alongside image of him posing with AK-47

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Snobike Mike said:
Thunderpants, where'd you go? I was trying to answer some of your other items which I apparently missed (for which I apologize as I'm sure you can see those opposing me including you have built up quite a gang whom are "firing" from all angles whereas I, all on my lonesome, attempt to somehow respond in semi-logical (maybe full auto?) fashion.)
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You did not respond any of the points I made instead you quoted made up facts (like the Clinton Admin put side arms in the the hands of teachers as part of their job - supporting links pleeeeeze) and continued to ramble on ignoring the rest. This is not how intelligent debate works and debating with someone who can not debate intelligently is well, kinda stupid.
 
-D- said:
Can you please site where they are pertaining to education:D
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Much harder to measure than number of deaths or percentage of people who own guns etc. since these are measured numbers... and I am not sure of your point.

According to the CIA, they are 60th in Education/GDP spending at 5.4%. Canada for example is at 5%, even lower. The NRAs champion the Swiss have the same rate as the US (5.4%). But Spending from a GDP perspective is very misleading, because it also depends on GDP.... Spending per capita they are one of the highest but spending is still not a guarantee of outcome (could just be more expensive). Based on education index they rank 13th, unlike gun numbers though most of the other like countries are all first world, not third (the top 30 or so are very closely ranked), but that is heavy on expected years of education...

They rank pretty low (around 30th depending on the study) on scales that measure Reading, Scientific and Mathematical Literacy. But the problem with stats like this it is hard to quantify (too much opinion for my liking). Their ranking is right around Mexico, Russia, Turkey... Canada is top 5 and the NRA darling Swiss are also kicking their arses.

All in all, education is not a strong point on a country basis. I would like to see a US stat on years of education and gun ownership, that would be interesting...

As I said this one is harder to measure, but one thing we do know, the NRA/Republicans are weak on math/stats...
 
ThunderPants said:
You did not respond any of the points I made instead you quoted made up facts (like the Clinton Admin put side arms in the the hands of teachers as part of their job - supporting links pleeeeeze) and continued to ramble on ignoring the rest. This is not how intelligent debate works and debating with someone who can not debate intelligently is well, kinda stupid.
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Read back, I pretty much came to the same conclusion and wrote that...lol
Given his references you can infer that he does not like Democrats and likely hates Obama.
Probably the birther type:lmao:

He still has not offered any solutions either.
 
ThunderPants said:
You did not respond any of the points I made instead you quoted made up facts (like the Clinton Admin put side arms in the the hands of teachers as part of their job - supporting links pleeeeeze) and continued to ramble on ignoring the rest. This is not how intelligent debate works and debating with someone who can not debate intelligently is well, kinda stupid.
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Another name caller I see (I'm assuming you're call me stupid, but don't worry, I've been called worse by the rest of the gang :) ...).

And as mentioned, sorry for missing all of the points in your post, I'm "debating" with about 5 of you all at the same time (which you're right, isn't really an intelligent strategy...) so "managing" that is a bit difficult. Don't worry, I'll "shoot" back shortly as best I can.....

Cheers.
 
-D- said:
Read back, I pretty much came to the same conclusion and wrote that...lol
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On which the "intelligent" or supposedly pulling facts out of one's arse....

-D- said:
Given his references you can infer that he does not like Democrats and likely hates Obama.
Probably the birther type:lmao:
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You haven't referenced anything. I have provided numerous reports/stats with links. All support my position that gun control does not have material effect on gun crime rates.

For the record, I do not like the Democrats and Obama has to go. I'm not a birther.

I'm certainly a libertarian and a fiscal conservative (I'm assuming you're a liberal based on your apparent positions - government worker maybe?)

-D- said:
He still has not offered any solutions either.
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Better re-read back because you wouldn't have wanted to miss anything I said relating to solutions.....(of course they aren't your "solutions")
 
Snobike Mike said:
On which the "intelligent" or supposedly pulling facts out of one's arse....



You haven't referenced anything. I have provided numerous reports/stats with links. All support my position that gun control does not have material effect on gun crime rates.

For the record, I do not like the Democrats and Obama has to go. I'm not a birther.

I'm certainly a libertarian and a fiscal conservative (I'm assuming you're a liberal based on your apparent positions - government worker maybe?)



Better re-read back because you wouldn't have wanted to miss anything I said relating to solutions.....(of course they aren't your "solutions")
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Thought so.
The fact that you tried to reach back and blame everything on Clinton.
I am sure John McCain along with Sarah Palin with their stellar financial adviser Carli Fiorina would have made things that much better huh.

let's see
John McCain - bomb bomb bomb Iran - another war
Sarah Palin - redefine Africa as a country -
Carli Fiorina - HP/Compaq CEO claim to fame of FAILURE as one of the worst CEO ever. She was John McCain's Political Financial Adviser that advised him that the economy is sound and all is fine only to have a major back collapse almost the next day. She likes to outsource every damn thing then torch whatever is left.

The 3 stooges would have done an awesome job.

Ok Mike, I will pass the torch back to D23, lol

Why didn't you stand up and fight when our Government banned pepper spray and tazers for the general public?
Dude, you really do not make any sense and just come across as a person that lives in fear.
 
-D- said:
Thought so.
The fact that you tried to reach back and blame everything on Clinton.
I am sure John McCain along with Sarah Palin with their stellar financial adviser Carli Fiorina would have made things that much better huh.

let's see
John McCain - bomb bomb bomb Iran - another war
Sarah Palin - redefine Africa as a country -
Carli Fiorina - HP/Compaq CEO claim to fame of FAILURE as one of the worst CEO ever. She was John McCain's Political Financial Adviser that advised him that the economy is sound and all is fine only to have a major back collapse almost the next day. She likes to outsource every damn thing then torch whatever is left.

The 3 stooges would have done an awesome job.

Ok Mike, I will pass the torch back to D23, lol

Why didn't you stand up and fight when our Government banned pepper spray and tazers for the general public?
Dude, you really do not make any sense and just come across as a person that lives in fear.
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Why do you keep saying I live in fear? I'm the one who is pro firearms? I'm not scared of them at all so please stop attempting to project "fear" on to me (just to recap, while I strongly agree with 2A, my discussion here relates to gun control and whether or not more will reduce gun crimes)

We can start another thread on the Dems vs Repubs if you want to argue Lib vs Conservative legacys (and just to pre-empt, I'm sure you'll say I'm avoiding such a discussion but I'm quite enjoying our little chat here). That will allow us to stay on the track of the gun control discussion that is the basis of what we're discussing here.
 
-D- said:
Thought so.
The fact that you tried to reach back and blame everything on Clinton.

Ok Mike, I will pass the torch back to D23, lol
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What exactly is "everything" I am "blaming" on Clinton?

Don't worry, I'm sure D23 will be here shortly (assuming he's actually a different person than you....)
 
Snobike Mike said:
Why do you keep saying I live in fear? I'm the one who is pro firearms? I'm not scared of them at all so please stop attempting to project "fear" on to me (just to recap, while I strongly agree with 2A, my discussion here relates to gun control and whether or not more will reduce gun crimes)

We can start another thread on the Dems vs Repubs if you want to argue Lib vs Conservative legacys (and just to pre-empt, I'm sure you'll say I'm avoiding such a discussion but I'm quite enjoying our little chat here). That will allow us to stay on the track of the gun control discussion that is the basis of what we're discussing here.
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Snobike Mike said:
What exactly is "everything" I am "blaming" on Clinton?

Don't worry, I'm sure D23 will be here shortly (assuming he's actually a different person than you....)
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oh F*** you are paranoid too...lol

Dude you got problems.
You really don't understand what I mean when I say that you live in fear.
Sad :sad:
 
Seriously... you all know everything. Really who gives a ****?

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Wanna know the best part about all the anti-gun nonsense? It simply doesn't matter. :lol: Guns are legal, you can go out and buy as many as you'd like, and if they're non-restricted (of which there are thousands of variants to choose from), the government and police won't even know you have them.

Go shopping, enjoy the shooting sports, and sleep easy knowing that if the 1 in a Million happens to you, you'll be able to defend yourself.
 
mmmnaked said:
Wanna know the best part about all the anti-gun nonsense? It simply doesn't matter. :lol: Guns are legal, you can go out and buy as many as you'd like, and if they're non-restricted (of which there are thousands of variants to choose from), the government and police won't even know you have them.

Go shopping, enjoy the shooting sports, and sleep easy knowing that if the 1 in a Million happens to you, you'll be able to defend yourself.
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Well now, that is simply way to much logic and practicality for our little chat. :)
 
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