Another one-Georgia school shooter released alongside image of him posing with AK-47

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backmarkerducati said:
UK rates violent crime differently than the US. If you include all the crimes the UK does the rates are comparable, murder rate is much lower. NRA won't tell you that!
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I guess Harvard won't tell us that either? That might make Harvard a front for the NRA.............

Can you explain the DOJ's stats about falling gun crime over the past 20 years, and it's still falling despite the latest round of gun control failing to pass?
 
D23 said:
You don't know what an assault rifle is???
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Nope, I do not know what a so called "assault" rifle is.

As I mentioned, "assault" is a verb, not a noun. So unless the rifle was actually used in an "assault" how could it be an "assault rifle"?

I am well aware how the media likes to attached scary descriptions to inanimate objects to push their agenda however.....
 
Snobike Mike said:
Nope, I do not know what a so called "assault" rifle is.

As I mentioned, "assault" is a verb, not a noun. So unless the rifle was actually used in an "assault" how could it be an "assault rifle"?

I am well aware how the media likes to attached scary descriptions to inanimate objects to push their agenda however.....
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Have you tried a dictionary or the US Armys "definition of an assault rifle?

You can google everything else so.....?

I know it's default pro gun wacko argument #7 but saying you can't buy an assault rifle in the US is beyond even your level of failure.
 
D23 said:
Have you tried a dictionary or the US Armys "definition of an assault rifle?

You can google everything else so.....?

I know it's default pro gun wacko argument #7 but saying you can't buy an assault rifle in the US is beyond even your level of failure.
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What's the pro gun wacko (are all pro gunners wackos or just some, are there any anti-gun wacko's?) argument #7?

And in terms of the definition of assault rifle I'm asking you to school me.

thanks.
 
D23 said:
You don't know what an assault rifle is???

Do you know what a motorcycle is? Can you differentiate between that and a motorcar or a motorboat or is that beyond your level of comprehension too?

I can explain it to you, or cut and paste something since cut and past answers apprently have more weight than actual knowledge of a subject.


LOL

Just kidding. I lost interst in your ramblings somewhere between "The second amendment says "tyranny in government" and "do you think gun restrictions will stop all murders"....

Continue.
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You forgot to add Fox "News":lmao:
notice he did not answer the question that he posed in an indirect way "something has to be done".
I asked what does he suggest.

He is afraid of tyranny but still does not answer the other question as to what he can do to fight the Government if they go to war.
It would be amazing if he turned off his tv for two weeks and stayed off the web too.
These guys are sounding like religious fanatics, no matter what you tell them they are programmed to respond with you are the Devil and I am right.

He fails to comprehend the most basic of facts, remove those weapons from the general public and that issue is removed.
They like to mention England a lot, I guess it's that subconscious programming of we must fight the British...lol


His position is about freedom and rights yet when I asked if it's okay to have a lion or a few lions in my backyard, no answer.
 
Snobike Mike said:
What's the pro gun wacko (are all pro gunners wackos or just some, are there any anti-gun wacko's?) argument #7?

And in terms of the definition of assault rifle I'm asking you to school me.

thanks.
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Some are, some are not. The ones that won't accept logic, spout default gun wacko cliche's like "what is an assault rifle, there is no such thing", are.

I'm pro gun, and not a wacko.

You are.

Clear?

Part 2.

Since you can never actually answer a direct question without asking another question (classic avoidance when you are failing to make a point) I'll take a page out of your playbook and....

Is an AK-47 an assault rifle? Yes or no?

The guy you quoted said they are available for purchase in the US. I agree. You don't?
 
Snobike Mike said:
I guess Harvard won't tell us that either? That might make Harvard a front for the NRA.............

Can you explain the DOJ's stats about falling gun crime over the past 20 years, and it's still falling despite the latest round of gun control failing to pass?
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Please read my other posting. At the bottom, the percentage of people who own guns has declined during the same time period you quoted and has over 40+ years. So a lower percentage of people owning guns tracks with lower crime in the US.

Harvard, didn't they just hire McGuinty.... In other words they are not as special and high standard as the marketing leads one to believe. Murder rate in the US is ~4X higher than the UK. It is well known that UK has a different more encompassing system for reporting "violent" crimes than the US. If Harvard cannot figure this out...or did they choose not to?
 
For gun related deaths per capita the US ranks in the top 15 world wide in total, homicides, suicides and unintentional. The only area they have any comparison from another contemporary is suicides, and no shock it is Switzerland and Austria.

There are quite a few third world countries though in all categories as well as South and Central American...
 
backmarkerducati said:
For gun related deaths per capita the US ranks in the top 15 world wide in total, homicides, suicides and unintentional. The only area they have any comparison from another contemporary is suicides, and no shock it is Switzerland and Austria.

There are quite a few third world countries though in all categories as well as South and Central American...
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Can you please site where they are pertaining to education:D
 
-D- said:
You forgot to add Fox "News":lmao:
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Despite your view of fox news, are you saying that the content of what they reported as found by the various agencies is not valid?

-D- said:
He is afraid of tyranny but still does not answer the other question as to what he can do to fight the Government if they go to war.
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So because you feel it's futile with the tools available to civilians for them to have them because the army would "out-gun" civilians therefore Americans should have no problem giving them up and maybe you'll save some lives as well?

-D- said:
He fails to comprehend the most basic of facts, remove those weapons from the general public and that issue is removed.
They like to mention England a lot, I guess it's that subconscious programming of we must fight the British...lol
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Which facts, those not presented by you or those presented by DOJ, Harvard, PEW etc etc. Btw, do you know that criminals will simply change the tools available to them right? (because since you can't uninvent guns you're stuck with them). Or do you believe that with the absence of guns violent crimes go away? It is not the tool, it's the person.

-D- said:
His position is about freedom and rights yet when I asked if it's okay to have a lion or a few lions in my backyard, no answer.
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I did answer that.
 
D23 said:
Some are, some are not. The ones that won't accept logic, spout default gun wacko cliche's like "what is an assault rifle, there is no such thing", are.

I'm pro gun, and not a wacko.

You are.

Clear?

Part 2.

Since you can never actually answer a direct question without asking another question (classic avoidance when you are failing to make a point) I'll take a page out of your playbook and....

Is an AK-47 an assault rifle? Yes or no?

The guy you quoted said they are available for purchase in the US. I agree. You don't?
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I see we're back to the name calling. Oh well.

I'm very curious what "logic" I might be missing. Is it true that if the firearm was never invented then we'd never have crime by firearms? Yep, that is logical, but it does not transfer that you would not have violent crime. It just would be with different tools.

On our semantic discussion on "assault rifles". A full-auto or select fire firearm, is called an "assault" rifle by the military. Of course in a military situation, said rifles are actually being used to "assault" opposing forces.

Unfortunately the media and gun-grabbers in the US, as evidenced by the media party after Sandy Hook, use the term "assault" as an inflammatory term to broad-brush virtually all firearms for the sole purpose of pushing their agenda (kinda like the "street" racing laws and "excessive" speeding - they used the term "street racing" to jam through legislation that covers many more charges. You see how sneaky the government is?).

The only reason Lanza's rifle could be called an "assault" rifle is because it was actually used in an assault. It was not a select fire or full auto firearm, neither was his handgun.
 
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Snobike Mike said:
I see we're back to the name calling. Oh well.

A full-auto or select fire firearm, is called an "assault" rifle by the military. Of course in a military situation, said rifles are actually being used to "assault" opposing forces.

Unfortunately the media and gun-grabbers in the US, as evidenced by the media party after Sandy Hook, use the term "assault" as an inflammatory term to broad-brush virtually all firearms for the sole purpose of pushing their agenda. The only reason Lanza's rifle could be called an "assault" rifle is because it was actually used in an assault. It was not a select fire or full auto firearm, neither was his handgun.
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And in the Lanza case, a rifle was used to assault children.

So in other words, yes. An AK-47 is an assault rife, is available in the US for purchase and you suddenly DO know what it is.

Big surprise. Mike is wrong and has to eat his foot again. :rolleyes:

Looks like it's time impose the slaughter rule (AKA: Mercy rule) here. You are so far behind the count now you can never come back.
 
D23 said:
And in the Lanza case, a rifle was used to assault children.

So in other words, yes. An AK-47 is an assault rife, is available in the US for purchase and you suddenly DO know what it is.

Big surprise. Mike is wrong and has to eat his foot again. :rolleyes:

Looks like it's time impose the slaughter rule (AKA: Mercy rule) here. You are so far behind the count now you can never come back.
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I don't believe I actually said that there is no such thing as an assault rifle (I may have asked you to name one but that doesn't mean I deny they exist), but if I did that would make me incorrect. However, where I was really going and stated several times when speaking about "assault" rifles, was the misnomer of the media and the government calling many many non-select fire/non-full auto firearms "assault" rifles which is a term as already pointed out, used by the media to push gun control (which is really what we're discussing right?).

And for the record and back on the major topic, I have absolutely no problem with full auto, select fire, semi-auto, bolt, lever or any other type of firearm being legally owned by a law abiding citizen. The firearm itself is an inanimate object without self-will (unlike a lion). They are currently owned in the 100's of millions by over 80 million law abiding US citizens and if you attempt to restrict/control them further it is not going to affect the overall gun crime rates.
 
ThunderPants said:
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Thunderpants, where'd you go? I was trying to answer some of your other items which I apparently missed (for which I apologize as I'm sure you can see those opposing me including you have built up quite a gang whom are "firing" from all angles whereas I, all on my lonesome, attempt to somehow respond in semi-logical (maybe full auto?) fashion.)
 
Why can't one thread stay on topic. This was about some maniac trying to shoot up a school. Who gives a **** about the other arguments about who knows the most about firearms? Are we 12? Jesus......
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