Here you go, have a read. One guy had his safe pried open.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...r-firearms-to-quot-control-quot-the-situation
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Here you go, have a read. One guy had his safe pried open.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...r-firearms-to-quot-control-quot-the-situation
kwtoxman
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I've been following the story with interest.
The general consensus in the news is that the RCMP have forced entry into many homes as part of their work (the homes were locked and secured). And the RCMP took any guns they found not stored in gun safes. What many people have mentioned in the news comments is that these safes are usually in basements, so many owners withdrew the guns from the safes to prevent damage or loss and stored them in other areas of the house expected to be dry, then locked their homes. Then the RCMP break in...
And as for proof of ownership, what happens when all that material the homeowner had was destroyed?, after all it was a major flood. Imagine the can o worms and hoops to jump through for those people who caught up in that.
Found this info..
Another legal opinion and story here.
http://en.video.canoe.tv/archive/so...ve-the-right-to-confiscate-guns/2515578083001
The general consensus in the news is that the RCMP have forced entry into many homes as part of their work (the homes were locked and secured). And the RCMP took any guns they found not stored in gun safes. What many people have mentioned in the news comments is that these safes are usually in basements, so many owners withdrew the guns from the safes to prevent damage or loss and stored them in other areas of the house expected to be dry, then locked their homes. Then the RCMP break in...
And as for proof of ownership, what happens when all that material the homeowner had was destroyed?, after all it was a major flood. Imagine the can o worms and hoops to jump through for those people who caught up in that.
Found this info..
Another legal opinion and story here.
http://en.video.canoe.tv/archive/so...ve-the-right-to-confiscate-guns/2515578083001
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An emergency is not the same as a state of emergency. And if you want to know if something is legit or not, you don't need to hear their voices just look where they come from. Calgary Herald, Gunnutz.com, CBC, Sun Media, RCMP... you can tell what they will say before they open their mouths.
Here's an easily accessible unbiased source of information that all these professional agencies seem unable to find, or care to use;
http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/E06P8.pdf Province of Alberta Emergency Management Act
Relevant articles here:
- Section 19 Powers of Minister in an Emergency
Subsection 1
(c) acquire or utilize any real or personal property considered necessary to prevent, combat or alleviate the effects of an emergency or disaster;
(h) authorize the entry into any building or on any land, without warrant, by any person in the course of implementing an emergency plan or program;
Subsection 3
If the Minister acquires or utilizes real or personal property under subsection (1) or if any real or personal property is damaged or destroyed due to an action of the Minister in preventing, combating or alleviating the effects of an emergency or disaster, the Minister shall cause compensation to be paid for it.
- Section 24 Powers of local authority
Subsection 1
(b) exercise any power given to the Minister under section 19(1) in relation to the part of the municipality affected by the declaration;
Subsection 1.1
If the local authority acquires or utilizes real or personal property under subsection (1) or if any real or personal property is damaged or destroyed due to an action of the local authority in preventing, combating or alleviating the effects of an emergency or disaster, the local authority shall cause compensation to be paid for it.
So, they can enter peoples homes without a warrant if the emergency plan required them to. They could seize property as a preventative measure. They must return or compensate for the loss of property seized or used.
Given all that, what's this outcry all about now?
wow?
They seized some guns, some pets, and some cars too: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/police-in-high-river-defend-gun-seizure-1.1345971#ixzz2XblpCETl
So why the outcry only about guns? Is it because gun owners think gun ownership ensure their freedom, like some delusional people who think stunting on public highways ensures their freedom? People really need to get a friggin grip.
So why the outcry only about guns? Is it because gun owners think gun ownership ensure their freedom, like some delusional people who think stunting on public highways ensures their freedom? People really need to get a friggin grip.
Still laughing about the CGN reference. :lmao:
No offense meant by that Paul.
It's just that CGN makes romper rooms full retard threads look like a Mensa discussion.
Good place to go if you want to buy a used firearm with 1000 rounds down the tube for what the seller paid new but other than that....
:lmao::lmao::lmao:
No offense meant by that Paul.
It's just that CGN makes romper rooms full retard threads look like a Mensa discussion.
Good place to go if you want to buy a used firearm with 1000 rounds down the tube for what the seller paid new but other than that....
:lmao::lmao::lmao:
Just Phil
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So the RCMP are RIGHT for going door to door and checking for abandoned pets. They are RIGHT for going door to door to check for trapped or wounded people. But they are WRONG for finding a rifle laying on the table in plain view & saying "It's probably safer if we secure this. CONSIDERING THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD RIGHT NOW ARE LOOTERS!!!!"
My dad told me once, with regards to people who liken things to Nazi Germany;"If they had ever met a real Nazi, they'd have wet themselves & never compared the two again"
My dad told me once, with regards to people who liken things to Nazi Germany;"If they had ever met a real Nazi, they'd have wet themselves & never compared the two again"
kwtoxman
Well-known member
I guess it takes a rocket scientist to realize that a firearm is NOT "a piece of property necessary to prevent, combat or alleviate the effects of an emergency disaster". That is why I posted what lawyers have commented, who are experts in interpreting and applying laws. And I agree with that interpretation as well.
No other flooded area such as Calgary had their firearms seized, etc. There have been floods in the prairies reported for the last 50 years and no firearms have previously been seized, nor were firearms found to be any issue.
And a lot of news and people question how much resources and time the RCMP wasted in emergency response dealing with the firearms as the latest estimate is hundreds of weapons were taken. Instead of getting stranded animals and people out....
It is flat out illegal as it has been applied to the Alberta flood event in High River, and the RCMP gas been playing super fast and loose with the laws.
And if someone has no problem with playing fast and loose with laws, then they should have no issue with the street racing law in ON, the pitbull law in ON, and other premier dad stuff.
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MarcosSantiago
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From the first minute, I knew it.
I knew someone was going to post this (the act) sooner or later.
And say "Hey guys, look here, it is in the book... so it must be OK, right? Keep calm and carry on"
MarcosSantiago
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One question to people talking about looters. Is this confirmed?
Yesterday I posted in this thread using the term "imaginary looters" because as far as I know and searched, there has been no confirmed looting. Only fears or looting... rumours... etc.
If anyone knows of a person(s) who has been arrested for looting, please post the link.
Why is this important? Because it's pure fear mongering going on. "Look guys, we had to trample all over your rights because of The Army of Big Bad Looters is on the loose".
Just Phil
Active member
Seriously??
So they would have been better coming in after the fact??
but then I guess you would have been on your soapbox yelling "Why did they wait so long?"
Good thing they didn't take that approach with the sandbags...
No matter what is said about this, the cops are going to be wrong, in one corner or another. That is until you're in desperate need of one...
Oh, it's Just Phil. Anyway, it's already been mentioned, looting is illegal (against the law) maybe the cops should look into that?
It's better than a warrant. It's a piece of legislation that would have required the approval of provincial parliament, probably some public input, scrutiny by experts in various fields, and being measured up against other jurisdictions.
No, you don't have to like it but don't blame the RCMP. Go to Alberta and get the damn thing changed to suit your (much better than everyone else's) sense of natural justice. I don't have a problem with it because it makes plain old sense, not because anyone told me to accept it.
