With regards to motorcycling, does LAW = Safety?

Amazing how it is so much safer to open it up on an EMPTY German highway as it is on an EMPTY Canadian highway. :D

Turbo - can you agree that it is safer if trucks were not allowed at Deals Gap. Yes or No. I mean if you didn't allow trucks, it would be a safer road for everyone including the truck drivers.... right?
 
read the first post genius

Seems like you're the only genius in this thread and everyone else is wrong. And I was referring to apples to apples in your particular argument, not necessarily the one in the original post.

Sure trucks on deals gap probably poses more of a danger than how the riders were seen riding on that particular stretch of highway. But in no way was riding a motorcycle like that through traffic remotely safe given the speed differentials of the other vehicles regardless if the bike is a "race bike" or not.
 
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Amazing how it is so much safer to open it up on an EMPTY German highway as it is on an EMPTY Canadian highway. :D
.... right?

Europeans know how to ride.

Take this site as a cross section of the Canadian community.

Based on the events that occur here on a daily basis, at least 50% of the community are not qualified to operate the equipment at those speeds, empty road or not.
 
OK... well how is it fair to assume that they are not skilled? I never said anything about their abilities, I only spoke on the capability of the bikes. You and I can not sit here and debate their skill set. At the end of the day they operated their vehicles in the safest manner possible for that style of riding. Was anyone hurt? Did anyone come close to being hurt? NO... Now on the flip side, Deals Gap, were people hurt? Absolutely! Regardless of skill set, if you come around a corner and there is a truck in your lane and you have no where to go and no time to stop you will crash!

the police cannot assess skillset either, and assume everyone to have zero skills. If they assumed everyone was a highly talented skilled rider and could handle the speeds they were doing, well then we probably woudlnt have traffic cops at all and a lot of dead people on the roads.
 
Amazing how it is so much safer to open it up on an EMPTY German highway as it is on an EMPTY Canadian highway. :D

Turbo - can you agree that it is safer if trucks were not allowed at Deals Gap. Yes or No. I mean if you didn't allow trucks, it would be a safer road for everyone including the truck drivers.... right?

Depends on your definition of "safer". Leaving aside crashes in which only property damage occurred, let's look at it on the basis of casualty count per vehicle class as a result of at-fault crash. Of the total number of truck passages in the last 10 years, how many truck drivers have killed themselves or others in at-fault crashes there? What is the corresponding count for cars? SUVs? Cars or SUVs pulling trailers? Motorcycles?

On that basis of that comparison, if you're looking to reduce casualty counts, the safest course of action would probably be to ban motorcycles.
 
Take the trucks right out of the equation and answer this. Should you travel around a blind corner faster than you can stop in reaction to what you may find stopped around that blind corner? Is it ever a smart idea to overdrive your line of sight when you don't have marshals standing on the corner who can see beyond your line of sight for you and warn you of possible hazards ahead?

Of course not, when did I say that is a safe or smart idea? But jumping on a motorcycle is not a safe or smart idea either, is it? The trucks are what we are talking about, not the corners!
 
Depends on your definition of "safer". Leaving aside crashes in which only property damage occurred, let's look at it on the basis of casualty count per vehicle class as a result of at-fault crash. Of the total number of truck passages in the last 10 years, how many truck drivers have killed themselves or others in at-fault crashes there? What is the corresponding count for cars? SUVs? Cars or SUVs pulling trailers? Motorcycles?

On that basis of that comparison, if you're looking to reduce casualty counts, the safest course of action would probably be to ban motorcycles.

WOW!

Any thread you get on just goes to hell!
 
you really have no clue do you.

just another post talking outta your *****

Depends on your definition of "safer". Leaving aside crashes in which only property damage occurred, let's look at it on the basis of casualty count per vehicle class as a result of at-fault crash. Of the total number of truck passages in the last 10 years, how many truck drivers have killed themselves or others in at-fault crashes there? What is the corresponding count for cars? SUVs? Cars or SUVs pulling trailers? Motorcycles?

On that basis of that comparison, if you're looking to reduce casualty counts, the safest course of action would probably be to ban motorcycles.
 
Europeans know how to ride.

Take this site as a cross section of the Canadian community.

Based on the events that occur here on a daily basis, at least 50% of the community are not qualified to operate the equipment at those speeds, empty road or not.
You're being far too generous.
 
1 - Yes speed contributes to accident frequency and severity. All the denial in the world won't change this. I speed.

2 - The safety nazi(s) are successfully trolling this forum, getting a rise out of so many here. Yes, trucks crossing the line on an inappropriate road for their size is dangerous to all. It's obvious.

There's been many a megabyte wasted on this nonsense. Just stop taking the bait, do it for the children.
 
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Depends on your definition of "safer". Leaving aside crashes in which only property damage occurred, let's look at it on the basis of casualty count per vehicle class as a result of at-fault crash. Of the total number of truck passages in the last 10 years, how many truck drivers have killed themselves or others in at-fault crashes there? What is the corresponding count for cars? SUVs? Cars or SUVs pulling trailers? Motorcycles?

On that basis of that comparison, if you're looking to reduce casualty counts, the safest course of action would probably be to ban motorcycles.
 
when is it ever about safety?

A great example of how retarded governments and laws are is the war on drugs.

Lets make laws that ruin millions of lives more then the save for the children!!!!!
 
Amazing how it is so much safer to open it up on an EMPTY German highway as it is on an EMPTY Canadian highway. :D

Is it? Which Canadian highway? Also, Germany's Autobahn is hardly the paragon of safety that you think.
German motorways are amongst the most safely engineered roads in Europe. However, in terms of deaths per billion vehicles kms driven on motorways, Germany ranks eight in 2006 out of the European countries for which there is data.
http://www.etsc.eu/documents/Speed Fact Sheet German Autobahn.pdf

Also, regarding imposition of speed limits..
Case studies: the safety benefit of introducing speed limitsThere is clear evidence from sections on which a limit was introduced that the number of road deaths and injuries decreased. In December 2002 a 130 km/h limit was introduced on a 62km section of the Autobahn 24 between Berlin and Hamburg. This is the longest section on a German Autobahn on which a speed limit has been introduced in the past decade. The number of injury/material damage accidents decreased by 48% and the numbers of casualties decreased by 57% (comparing the 3 years before and 3 years after introduction).

In Rheinland-Pfalz, a 130 km speed limit was also introduced on a 167km section of the A61 in 1991 and has been retained since then. This measure was combined with a ban on overtaking for heavy good vehicles. The impact of these two measures was a 30% reduction in fatal and severe injury accidents (comparing one year after and one year before their introduction – Rheinland-Pfalz Ministry of Transport).

Finally, the Federal environment agency mentions further field trials that have shown reductions in road deaths and injuries: in one field trail in the Land of Hesse from November 1984 to May 1987, the speed was limited at 100km/h on some motorways, bringing down the number of accidents with deaths or injuries per billion vehicle kilometer by 25% to 50%. A field trial on the Autobahn A2 during 1992 and 1994 also showed a 50% decrease of the accident rate per billion vehicle kilometer (Umweltbundesamt, 1999).

The road safety impacts of speed limits were evaluated in 1984 by the Federal Highway Research Institute. The study estimated that a general limit of 120 km/h on the Autobahn network would lead to a 20% reduction of road deaths, a limit of 100 km/h even to a 37% reduction.

Autobahn fatality rates are often cited as being the same or better than that found on US Interstates. However, Ontario's 400 series highways have markedly lower fatality per km driven rates than the US Interstates, and lower rates than the Autobahn as well. If Germany was to impose a 100 kmph limit on the Autobahn, the estimated reduction would lower Autobahn fatality rate to about the same per km driven fatality rate as we enjoy on Ontario's 400 series highways.
 
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Is it? Which Canadian highway? Also, Germany's Autobahn is hardly the paragon of safety that you think.


Also, regarding imposition of speed limits..


Autobahn fatality rates are often cited as being the same or better than that found on US Interstates. However, Ontario's 400 series highways have markedly lower fatality per km driven rates than US Interstates, and lower rates than the Autobahn as well. If Germany was to impose a 100 kmph limit on the Autobahn, the estimated reduction bring Autobahn fatality rate to about the same per km driven fatality rate as on Ontario's 400 series highways.

Again, another invalid arguement... you have to take into account population. What do you have to say to that TURBOTARD???
 
Again, another invalid arguement... you have to take into account population. What do you have to say to that TURBOTARD???
Turbotard? Really now. :rolleyes:

The fatality rates referenced in that article is fatalities per billion km driven. That's about the most equitable measure when it comes to levelling out the effects of differing driver populations, differing travel distances, etc. It levels the out the playing field.
 
As far as I can see, turbo is the only one providing links to data as well as articles about the issues you are all bickering about, while the rest of you choose to call him names and say hes wrong without anything to back it up.

lol
 
Would someone pass me the popcorn?
 
Safety is not the only consideration here.

If it were, there is only one solution ... ban all road traffic. ALL of it. Sneakers for all.
 
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