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‘Hell to pay:’ Residents angry as RCMP sieze guns from High River homes



‘It’s just like Nazi Germany,’ says resident




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Evacuees confronted the RCMP on the northwest corner of town in a bid to enter the Town of High River on Thursday, June 27th 2013, one week after the Highwood River Flooded leaving the whole town empty. RCMP laid a spike belt down across the road to prevent them from travelling down it.

Photograph by: Lorraine Hjalte , Calgary Herald




HIGH RIVER — RCMP revealed Thursday that officers have seized a “substantial amount” of firearms from homes in the evacuated town of High River.
“We just want to make sure that all of those things are in a spot that we control, simply because of what they are,” said Sgt. Brian Topham.
“People have a significant amount of money invested in firearms ... so we put them in a place that we control and that they’re safe.”
That news didn’t sit well with a crowd of frustrated residents who had planned to breach a police checkpoint northwest of the town as an evacuation order stretched into its eighth day.
“I find that absolutely incredible that they have the right to go into a person’s belongings out of their home,” said resident Brenda Lackey, after learning Mounties have been taking residents’ guns. “When people find out about this there’s going to be untold hell to pay.”
See photos from the scene.
About 30 RCMP officers set up a blockade at the checkpoint, preventing 50 residents from walking into the town. Dozens more police cars, lights on, could be seen lining streets in the town on standby.
Officers laid down a spike belt to stop anyone from attempting to drive past the blockade. That action sent the crowd of residents into a rage.
“What’s next? Tear gas?” shouted one resident.
“It’s just like Nazi Germany, just taking orders,” shouted another.
“This is the reason the U.S. has the right to bear arms,” said Charles Timpano, pointing to the group of Mounties.
Officers were ordered to fall back about an hour into the standoff in order to diffuse the situation and listen to residents’ concerns.
“We don’t want our town to turn into another New Orleans,” said resident Jeff Langford. “The longer that the water stays in our houses the worse it’s going to be. We’ll either be bulldozing them or burning them down because we’ve got an incompetent government.”
Langford blasted High River Mayor Emile Blokland over comments made Wednesday in which Blokland said residents will be allowed to return after businesses, such as hardware and drug stores, are opened.
“It was ridiculous,” said Langford. “I think he’s a puppet on a string.”
Langford said Premier Redford should come to High River to address residents’ concerns and provide information.
“This is at the highest tension,” he said. “What’s going to happen next is that people are just going to be walking across these fields, and I don’t care if they put hundreds of thousand of police officers there, they’re not going to stop from getting in.”
Sgt. Topham said he didn’t know when residents would be allowed to return to their homes. “People much higher up are going to make those decisions,” he said.
He did confirm that officer relied on forced entry to get into numerous houses during the early stages of the flood because of an “urgent need”, said Topham.
Police are no longer forcing themselves into homes and the residences that were forced open will be secured, he said.
Topham said the confiscated firearms have been inventoried and are secured at an RCMP detachment. He was not at liberty to say how many firearms had been confiscated.

“We have seized a large quantity of firearms simply because they were left by residents in their places,” said Topham.
The guns will be returned to owners after residents are allowed back in town and they provide proof of ownership, Topham added.
Residents promised to returned to the checkpoint at noon every day until they are allowed to return to their homes.

© Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald


Illegal warrentless search. I believe this is against the constitution.
 
And when people said "registration leads to confiscation" they were told to take the tinfoil hats off. Well there you have it folks...private property seized by the government
 
The good news is that the police tend to give things back.

If they could do it so could anyone else, doesn't anyone there secure their firearms out of sight?
 
I suspect even the ones were out of sight were taken. And if they weren't registered then the proof of ownership is not there.

I also imagine a lot of doors and gun safes were broken while seizing these guns... will the RCMP pay for any damages or is that on the owner too?
 
I also imagine a lot of doors and gun safes were broken while seizing these guns... will the RCMP pay for any damages or is that on the owner too?

What guns?
Hi Officer I am here to pickup my illegal or unregistered firearm.
Why am I in jail now?
 
tin foil hats indeed.
Read the article carefully, guns left in abandoned houses. Lots of guns. Its Alberta and lots of these guys have rifles/shotguns standing in closets and hanging on the wall. What a great market for looters.

The people complaining tried to breach a police barricade, they had spike belted the road to keep idiots out. Its not a Nazi program, its to keep goofballs from getting electrocuted and sick walking around in the toxic soup that flood waters become.

The comments from the citizens are great, " if we dont get in there our houses will have to be bulldozed ", its been 8 days, what are you going to do when you get there? bucket brigade?
 
Their houses will have to be bulldozed anyway. I think you get what you pay for when you move to a place called HIGH RIVER.

A town that floods every 5 years or so.

BTW: where are the people complaining about the RCMP that went in and "confiscated" over 400 pets that the residents left in kennels and cages to die?
 
tin foil hats indeed.
Read the article carefully, guns left in abandoned houses. Lots of guns. Its Alberta and lots of these guys have rifles/shotguns standing in closets and hanging on the wall. What a great market for looters.

The argument is about # 8 of the Charter (Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure).

Was the search and seizure unreasonable? Let's see...

Why did the police break in to private residences and seized guns? Just because these imaginary "looters"?


Sgt. Brian Topham is quoted in the article: “People have a significant amount of money invested in firearms ... so we put them in a place that we control and that they’re safe.”



Is it really for safety of these valuable items? What else could I looter steal, money, jewelry, etc? Did the police took those items from the houses too, so “they’re safe”?

RCMP logic appears to be: "We have not seen any looting at all, but to stop these imaginary "looters" from breaking the law, we are going to break it first!"
 
Looting is illegal. Cops should enforce that law. It's not like big southern U.S. city where all cops go into hiding or rogue during time of crisis. Is it?
 
BTW: where are the people complaining about the RCMP that went in and "confiscated" over 400 pets that the residents left in kennels and cages to die?

Whoa whoa whoa.....stop the clock.

Are you ******* kidding me? Is this real?

******* disgusting pieces of ****.
 
Usually preventing a crime trumps waiting for a crime to happen and then arresting someone for it.

Also.... Section 8 of the charter of rights and freedoms doesn't stop police from entering a home to search for people that may be trapped or unable to evacuate when the town is in a DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY.

If they happen to find improperly stored firearms then they have to secure them. Proof that they are breaking into gun safes please?

If they happen to find a meth lab, same outcome only you wouldn't be getting your meth lab back.

Slave lake flood. All "confiscated" firearms were returned to their owners.

Tough ****ing luck if you have an illegal firearm and don't get it back.

I know this is Canada and crying about stuff on the internet is what Canadians do but I have to say, it never stops amazing me how petty people are here towards the people that are working 24/7 to help them.
 
Usually preventing a crime trumps waiting for a crime to happen and then arresting someone for it.

Absolutely - I agree with you. BUT... In this case, police is already there, town is in lockdown mode, therefore looting has already been prevented. Is it reasonable for the police to start going from home to home looking for whatever item? No.



Also.... Section 8 of the charter of rights and freedoms doesn't stop police from entering a home to search for people that may be trapped or unable to evacuate when the town is in a DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY.

It is clear they are not searching for people. They are searching for guns. The emergency did not happen last night.


If they happen to find improperly stored firearms then they have to secure them. Proof that they are breaking into gun safes please?

Sure, IF they happen to find a gun someone forgot on the street, they have to pick it up and secure it. What makes you think RCMP has a duty to actively secure firearms inside private residences?


I do not own any firearms, I do not even have a license. I am not a gun aficionado. But... hey! This does seem to cross the line. And I have to wonder, what's next? Seizing of what else?
 
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Usually preventing a crime trumps waiting for a crime to happen and then arresting someone for it.

Also.... Section 8 of the charter of rights and freedoms doesn't stop police from entering a home to search for people that may be trapped or unable to evacuate when the town is in a DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY.

If they happen to find improperly stored firearms then they have to secure them. Proof that they are breaking into gun safes please?

If they happen to find a meth lab, same outcome only you wouldn't be getting your meth lab back.

Slave lake flood. All "confiscated" firearms were returned to their owners.

Tough ****ing luck if you have an illegal firearm and don't get it back.

I know this is Canada and crying about stuff on the internet is what Canadians do but I have to say, it never stops amazing me how petty people are here towards the people that are working 24/7 to help them.
Well said.
 
If they return the firearms, how is that wrong exactly?

I was at the red river flood in Winipeg and there were looters there, even though the area was "secure" or in lockdown mode as you call it. Guess you have to be there right?
 
If they return the firearms, how is that wrong exactly?

I was at the red river flood in Winipeg and there were looters there, even though the area was "secure" or in lockdown mode as you call it. Guess you have to be there right?

Had to be there? Wouldn't that compromise opportunity to comment on stuff? Please don't hold yourself to that standard. D23 posts don't just make Romper Room, they make Romper Room better.
 
If they return the firearms, how is that wrong exactly?

They still broke the law.

Let's say that you argue with your neighbor, and he tries to kill you (shoots you six times with his Colt), but he fails (he sucks at shooting and on top he was drunk at the time). You are not hurt at all. And they say "no harm, no foul", right?

How is your neighbor wrong exactly? Well, it was attempt to commit murder. Just because "nothing" happened doesn't means that all is OK.
 
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