Versys300, CCM, CB500, Vstrom650 small 'ADV' bikes

mxs said:
Are you new to used prices in Canada?? ... someone will float it for 5K and some uninformed sucker will give them the money ....
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Gta's used motorcycle market is non different from the Real estate market

Over hyped and in a bubble, but people still keep paying for it, thereby perpetuating it
 
You know my Harley is a great freeway cruiser. But if I were to need an all-purpose all-terrain adventure bike I wouldn't go bigger than 400cc unless it had the weight to match. That is, the bike wet shouldn't weigh more than 350lbs. I would prefer an upright twin, but an upright counterbalanced single would be fine. Air cooled four stroke a must and everything on the bike replaceable with a simple set of hand tools.

I have this little Honda CM250 scrambler bike I made right now. It tops out at 120km/h but always runs, is lightweight, simple to fix and goes anywhere. If it falls over it's easy to pick up. I wanted to be able to ride gravel and dirt roads without worries and it does that very well. If I were to build an adventure bike myself I would consider the CM400 as a base to start from.

1000cc adventure bikes are too heavy and awkward. Great on a highway, or even a good gravel road, but hell if you're sloughing down a mud road with potholes and bogs. Get stuck and you need a winch or a tow. Nice bikes, but bothersome on adverse conditions.
 
bigpoppa said:
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Gta's used motorcycle market is non different from the Real estate market

Over hyped and in a bubble, but people still keep paying for it, thereby perpetuating it
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Well, not really ... because there's many people who do not have whole lot of options, unless are willing to commute (or switch job), as far as Toronto real estate. The used bike market is just stupid, because people have a ton of options 99% of time, yet they still pay the often ridiculous bike prices.
 
There is a thread for stupid bike prices, and many examples. I think A, they dont really want to sell , so its a fishing trip. B, spouse says bike has to go, so they list it for sale...... yeah baby, its on kijiji.... C, there's one born every minute, separating an idiot from his cash is good sportt
 
crankcall said:
There is a thread for stupid bike prices, and many examples. I think A, they dont really want to sell , so its a fishing trip. B, spouse says bike has to go, so they list it for sale...... yeah baby, its on kijiji.... C, there's one born every minute, separating an idiot from his cash is good sportt
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^Pretty accurate, when i bought my bike, it was listed for a really good price, and in good condition no less, the day after i saw it( Macdoc found it originally), took frekeguy with me to inspect, paid cash and was off with the bike.


People who want to sell their bike, will price it to sell accordingly

you can tell how serious they are based on the price/expectations
 
Inflated used bike prices may be a reflection of the housing market. Especially for bikes parked indoors. These things aren't like TVs and barbecues. Ok, barbecue might be a bad example. I took one on a road trip once. But you get the idea.
 
It beats me why Honda doesn't build a proper CB500X. Give it a longer set of suspenders and a pair of suitably sized wire spoked wheels with appropriate rubber. Similar to the Rally Raid bike, but at a reasonable price. The cash registers would be working overtime.

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Jayell said:
It beats me why Honda doesn't build a proper CB500X. Give it a longer set of suspenders and a pair of suitably sized wire spoked wheels with appropriate rubber. Similar to the Rally Raid bike, but at a reasonable price. The cash registers would be working overtime.

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its also quite heavy, maybe shed a few pounds?
 
Jayell said:
It beats me why Honda doesn't build a proper CB500X. Give it a longer set of suspenders and a pair of suitably sized wire spoked wheels with appropriate rubber. Similar to the Rally Raid bike, but at a reasonable price. The cash registers would be working overtime.

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The Rally Raid CB500X is very popular for anyone that wants a KLR with 2 cylinders and fuel injection.
 
I'm loving the push for smaller bikes in North America currently underway, and especially this whole new smaller ADV segment coming forth!
Looking forward to checking out the BMW and Kawi 300 models and how they stand up as I'd def consider snapping one up on the used market in the next few years. For primary commuting duty, I'd think they are perfect bikes.
 
mimico_polak said:
I'm loving the push for smaller bikes in North America currently underway, and especially this whole new smaller ADV segment coming forth!
Looking forward to checking out the BMW and Kawi 300 models and how they stand up as I'd def consider snapping one up on the used market in the next few years. For primary commuting duty, I'd think they are perfect bikes.
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Go on a Goldwing forum and they're wanting more than the 1800 cc at about 900 pounds wet. Of course they don't bother with the payload specs which would mean leaving, at home, the wife and makeup, trailer, camping gear, hunting equipment etc.
 
I honestly think small to mid-displacement bikes will be the future of the sport IF the manufacturers can keep the prices reasonable. Every year there are fewer and fewer riders out there with the $$ to spend on big displacement $18,000 bikes, regardless of the style. Riders with the better paying, long term jobs are disappearing. Contract, short-term and piecework employment are becoming more and more common. If you have unstable income, you're not likely to spend the big bucks on a toy, which in this country a motorcycle is, no matter how much we love them. Also many riders are starting to recognize that short of 0-100km/h times there is very little you can do on a litre bike on the street that you can't do on a 600cc or even 300cc bike. Adventure bikes are no different. If you're going to be mixing it up on logging roads, gravel and even dual track off roading, a smaller, lighter bike just makes a whole lot more sense!

I'm not really an off road guy, but even I am interested in the CRF250L Rally. Better wind protection and styling with true 50/50 dirt/street capability. Make a few mods like the Asebes? larger fuel tank and some waterproof soft luggage and you've got a world traveler that won't break the bank.
 
This thread needs pictures

Will the versys 300 ot v storm 250 be at the Feb show?

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nobbie48 said:
Go on a Goldwing forum and they're wanting more than the 1800 cc at about 900 pounds wet. Of course they don't bother with the payload specs which would mean leaving, at home, the wife and makeup, trailer, camping gear, hunting equipment etc.
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Nothing wrong with that...however for new riders, or mainly urban commuters the smaller displacement bikes would (IMO) make more sense. For me it does, but I don't know if I represent the typical rider in the GTA.

Got the bike back from the dealer a couple of days ago from a recall...and they say I need new tires. Perfect timing to decide whether to go 100% street, or a 20/80 mix as I enjoy exploring a little bit off the main path. Lots of time to do research over the winter.
 
You can now order the CB500x kit direct from Rally Raid from the UK. It's much cheaper than buying it from Giant Loop in Oregon.

orginally they would not ship it to Canada, they made you order from the US

Supernam said:
The Rally Raid CB500X is very popular for anyone that wants a KLR with 2 cylinders and fuel injection.
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looks nice
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Morrissey said:
I honestly think small to mid-displacement bikes will be the future of the sport IF the manufacturers can keep the prices reasonable. Every year there are fewer and fewer riders out there with the $$ to spend on big displacement $18,000 bikes, regardless of the style. Riders with the better paying, long term jobs are disappearing. Contract, short-term and piecework employment are becoming more and more common. If you have unstable income, you're not likely to spend the big bucks on a toy, which in this country a motorcycle is, no matter how much we love them. Also many riders are starting to recognize that short of 0-100km/h times there is very little you can do on a litre bike on the street that you can't do on a 600cc or even 300cc bike. Adventure bikes are no different. If you're going to be mixing it up on logging roads, gravel and even dual track off roading, a smaller, lighter bike just makes a whole lot more sense!

I'm not really an off road guy, but even I am interested in the CRF250L Rally. Better wind protection and styling with true 50/50 dirt/street capability. Make a few mods like the Asebes? larger fuel tank and some waterproof soft luggage and you've got a world traveler that won't break the bank.
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BMW does not seem to have any trouble selling the R1200GS's. I own a 2015 GSA and love it for everything from commuting to touring. Always nice to have variety and options out there, not everyone wants or can manage such a tall bike, but I don't think the desire for these big beasts will change and doubt BMW will ever have trouble selling the 1200cc boxers. Rumours are even floating around that they might get even bigger moving to a 1300cc boxer.
 
The should go with 1600cc unit from their bigger road touring 6cyl boat .... I am sure they will have no problem selling that one too. You know their customers love them.
 
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