So it's that time again....winter pasttimes?

[JC99]

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Not really something that I would bother timing. I don't have a club membership and my license doesn't include transport, anyway

I've watched a few musket loaders and it's pretty intricate. Pretty decent if you're in a group and can reload as one line fires but I'm not sure I'd fancy my chances if I'm more or less alone and there's a hoard charging at me.

 

[GreyGhost]

I've watched a few musket loaders and it's pretty intricate. Pretty decent if you're in a group and can reload as one line fires but I'm not sure I'd fancy my chances if I'm more or less alone and there's a hoard charging at me.

Punt gun ftw. Take the whole hoard with the first shot.

 

[JC99]

Punt gun ftw. Take the whole hoard with the first shot.

I think you posted an artillery picture.

 

[GreyGhost]

I think you posted an artillery picture.

You can shoulder fire it if you have a dumb enough friend. It's just a 1 to 2" bore shotgun ~13' long.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Punt gun ftw. Take the whole hoard with the first shot.

Kentucky Ballistics, on Youtube, had a custom puntgun made. It fires a one pound ball. I hesitate to think what gauge that is. His thing is large calibre firearms.

 

[JC99]

You can shoulder fire it if you have a dumb enough friend. It's just a 1 to 2" bore shotgun ~13' long.

That looks like the dictionary definition of hearing damage.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I've watched a few musket loaders and it's pretty intricate. Pretty decent if you're in a group and can reload as one line fires but I'm not sure I'd fancy my chances if I'm more or less alone and there's a hoard charging at me.

If I had bought it to shoot regularly, then I'd have done what Civil War soldiers did; bought a few spare cylinders to load. It takes far less time to knock out the retaining block, slide the barrel off, and swap cylinders than it does to reload.

 

[ToSlow]

Punt gun ftw. Take the whole hoard with the first shot.

I had to look at this twice, i thought it was a war ship

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I had to look at this twice, i thought it was a war ship

Generally loaded with Bird Shot and was used in commercial duck hunting. Could pretty much take down a whole flock with one shot.

 

[JC99]

Generally loaded with Bird Shot and was used in commercial duck hunting. Could pretty much take down a whole flock with one shot.

Maybe my physics isn’t so great but if the guy doesn’t soak up the recoil won't that punt fly backwards at quite a rate of speed?

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Maybe my physics isn’t so great but if the guy doesn’t soak up the recoil won't that punt fly backwards at quite a rate of speed?

Take a look at the Kentucky Ballistics Youtube channel and you'll understand better. They sat on a weighted sled that allowed for recoil, in much the same way as a naval canon on a sailing vessel would. That, or they would be mounted to a fixed hardpoint on the hull.

 

[GreyGhost]

Maybe my physics isn’t so great but if the guy doesn’t soak up the recoil won't that punt fly backwards at quite a rate of speed?

Gun is heavy, guy is heavy. if boat mounted, boat is heavy and often sand bags were used. A few pounds of projectile (almost certainly subsonic) into hundreds of pounds of ballast and you get a good kick but don't fly.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Gun is heavy, guy is heavy. if boat mounted, boat is heavy and often sand bags were used. A few pounds of projectile (almost certainly subsonic) into hundreds of pounds of ballast and you get a good kick but don't fly.

And shot has a lot less recoil than a solid single ball round. Lots of space for the pressure to escape when fired.

 

[Gaoler]

Not really something that I would bother timing. I don't have a club membership and my license doesn't include transport, anyway

Are you sure...?
ATTs has been a standard condition on PALs for quite some time now.
'Not like it was before where you used to (a) have a club membership and (b) have an ATT on top of your PAL.
Some guy took the Cfo to court over it and won.
Nowhere in the FA does it say you must be a member of a gun club to own, transport or use your restricted firearms.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Are you sure...?
ATTs has been a standard condition on PALs for quite some time now.
'Not like it was before where you used to (a) have a club membership and (b) have an ATT on top of your PAL.
Some guy took the Cfo to court over it and won.
Nowhere in the FA does it say you must be a member of a gun club to own, transport or use your restricted firearms.

I'll need to do some research then. I got my PAL and Restricted cert almost 40 years ago, when there were four levels; PAL, Restricted, Restricted (with transport privilege), and Carry. I've only even met one civilian who had a carry permit.

EDIT - The RCMP site states an authorization to transport is required. I'll need to look at case law.

https://rcmp.ca/en/firearms/firearms-safety-training-transport-and-storage/authorization-transport#s2

 

[Gaoler]

EDIT - The RCMP site states an authorization to transport is required. I'll need to look at case law.

Read it over carefully..

Changes to automatic Authorizations to Transport restricted and prohibited firearms were brought into force on July 7, 2021. This change now requires licensed owners of registered firearms to obtain an Authorizations to Transport from the provincial or territorial Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) in order to transport a restricted or prohibited firearm to any place other than to:

an approved shooting club or shooting range within the owner's province of residence, or
to the firearm's place of storage after purchase.


So... You can transport to any club/range in the Province.
If you were transporting to another place like a gunsmith's shop or a gun show... Or if you were moving to a new home, then you'd have to get a separate ATT.
'Easy enough... One phone call and they'll email it to you.

 

[crankcall]

Punt guns from what I read were almost exclusivly black powder so possibly not as violent a recoil as modern chemistry may hit, but still that would be a lot of powder in a charge. Before bag limits were established and market hunting was a thing , more dead ducks = more pay , there was little sport in it . ( still isnt from the ducks perspective ) .
@Rob , is your thunderstick a flint or percussion cap gun? I just donated a SxS muzzle loader / percussion cap gun to a friends cabin wall as decor. American made gun with british damascus barrels and the locks were a continental pattern , but everyone was copying each other around patents anyway ....

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Punt guns from what I read were almost exclusivly black powder so possibly not as violent a recoil as modern chemistry may hit, but still that would be a lot of powder in a charge. Before bag limits were established and market hunting was a thing , more dead ducks = more pay , there was little sport in it . ( still isnt from the ducks perspective ) .
@Rob , is your thunderstick a flint or percussion cap gun? I just donated a SxS muzzle loader / percussion cap gun to a friends cabin wall as decor. American made gun with british damascus barrels and the locks were a continental pattern , but everyone was copying each other around patents anyway ....

It's a replica of a 1861 Colt Navy cap & ball revolver, in .44 cal. I looked into a cartridge conversion, a while back, but turns out it's not a great idea for brass framed revolvers.

 

[crankcall]

Good Lord that thing would be fun . Yes the cartridge conversions are a bit risky with brass frames and not all replicas are built the same . For entertainment purposes I’d stick with the cap configuration. I have no idea how historic handguns fit into the travel requirement or where they can be used .

We had a fella turn up at the clay pidgeon club with a muzzle loading ten gauge and fire a round for fun. The black powder hung in the air for five mins burning everyone’s eye . He was asked to put Betsy back in the trunk .


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[Rob MacLennan]

Good Lord that thing would be fun . Yes the cartridge conversions are a bit risky with brass frames and not all replicas are built the same . For entertainment purposes I’d stick with the cap configuration. I have no idea how historic handguns fit into the travel requirement or where they can be used .

We had a fella turn up at the clay pidgeon club with a muzzle loading ten gauge and fire a round for fun. The black powder hung in the air for five mins burning everyone’s eye . He was asked to put Betsy back in the trunk .


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I have a 5 pound can of smokeless that's formulated for replacement of black powder.I bought it when I bought the pistol 30 years ago, but have no idea why as I never had any intentions of firing it

Same with the caps and 100 lead balls.

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