Registering out of province bike with no ownership

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I know someone interested in purchasing a local bike that has never been registered in Ontario and has no ownership. It has been here for 10 years and never put on the road since it is a collectable. It was a rebuild title in Alberta and was told it changes to salvage in Ontario. They want to register and bring the bike back to life and placed on the road. How many hurdles need to be jumped for this?
 
1985. What about purchasing a clean title frame?
 
Can you go into a Service Ontario with the VIN, play dumb and say you're interested in the bike and see if they can pull any info? If they don't show it as rebuilt, then go through the standard process to request a replacement ownership using an affidavit.
 
I have a ‘77 Yamaha RD400 without an ownership that was given to me that I plan on restoring one day. The information I got from a friend who jumped through the hoops in the same situation is as follows. First, you have to contact the police, I think he said the RCMP, probably because they are federal, and provide them with the serial number and they will provide you with a letter saying your bike is not stolen. Second, you have to contact the manufacturer, in my case Yamaha Canada and provide them with the serial number and request a letter stating that they manufactured a bike with that serial number in that model. Once you’ve received that you can go to Services Ontario and apply for an ownership. As I said a friend of mine went through this boondoggle recently and said it really wasn’t that difficult. Good luck and just out of curiosity what kind of bike is it? Maybe getting a parts bike with an ownership may be the way to go. Another option,Isaw some cash strapped racers restamp serial numbers on early eighties bikes for somewhat dubious reasons. It was the numbers on the steering head, it was quite easy and looked pretty good. If you’ve read my earlier posts about Shannonville legend Nick The Bike Man you will know what I’m talking about. Out of respect for Nick who is no longer with us I won’t retell the story, I also don’t want to incriminate myself.
 
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Can you go into a Service Ontario with the VIN, play dumb and say you're interested in the bike and see if they can pull any info? If they don't show it as rebuilt, then go through the standard process to request a replacement ownership using an affidavit.
You can't get a replacement ownership for a bike that was never registered in Ontario.

The only realistic option is an unbranded parts bike that is registered in Ontario. Swap the frame.

'Numbers matching' for collectability reasons is only a Harley thing; no other motorcycle makers match engine and frame numbers.
 
I have a ‘77 Yamaha RD400 without an ownership that was given to me that I plan on restoring one day. The information I got from a friend who jumped through the hoops in the same situation is as follows. First, you have to contact the police, I think he said the RCMP, probably because they are federal, and provide them with the serial number and they will provide you with a letter saying your bike is not stolen. Second, you have to contact the manufacturer, in my case Yamaha Canada and provide them with the serial number and request a letter that they manufactured a bike with that serial number in that model. Once you’ve received that you can go to Services Ontario and apply for an ownership. As I said a friend of mine went through this boondoggle recently and said it really wasn’t that difficult. Good luck and just out of curiosity what kind of bike is it? Maybe getting a parts bike with an ownership may be the way to go. Another option,I helped some cash strapped racers restamp serial numbers on early eighties bikes for somewhat dubious reasons. It was the numbers on the steering head, it was quite easy and looked pretty good. If you’ve read my earlier posts about Shannonville legend Nick The Bike Man you will know what I’m talking about. Out of respect for Nick who is no longer with us I won’t retell the story, I also don’t want to incriminate myself.
…or like Relax said, you could just play dumb and see what happens.
 
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Out-of-province vehicles​

Vehicles from another Canadian or U.S. jurisdiction that are registered in Ontario will have their vehicle brand carried over, except for the “Rebuilt” brand, which will be downgraded to “Salvage.” Before these vehicles can be driven in Ontario, they require a structural inspection from a registered DriveON VIC to be registered as “Rebuilt.” Once the inspection is complete, you can take your documentation to a ServiceOntario location to register your vehicle.

Motorcycles with a brand that isn’t equivalent to “None” will have their brand downgraded to “Irreparable.”


The way I’m reading this, they will downgrade a brand from rebuilt to salvage. However, if you get a structural inspection from a registered DriveON VIC to be registered as rebuilt. You can take that inspection with the out of province title and change the ownership to maintain a rebuilt title. I would definitely ask a DriveON center to confirm, since it’s not clearly laid out this way but, the above is cut and paste from my previous post with the link. 🤷‍♂️
 

Out-of-province vehicles​

Vehicles from another Canadian or U.S. jurisdiction that are registered in Ontario will have their vehicle brand carried over, except for the “Rebuilt” brand, which will be downgraded to “Salvage.” Before these vehicles can be driven in Ontario, they require a structural inspection from a registered DriveON VIC to be registered as “Rebuilt.” Once the inspection is complete, you can take your documentation to a ServiceOntario location to register your vehicle.

Motorcycles with a brand that isn’t equivalent to “None” will have their brand downgraded to “Irreparable.”


The way I’m reading this, they will downgrade a brand from rebuilt to salvage. However, if you get a structural inspection from a registered DriveON VIC to be registered as rebuilt. You can take that inspection with the out of province title and change the ownership to maintain a rebuilt title. I would definitely ask a DriveON center to confirm, since it’s not clearly laid out this way but, the above is cut and paste from my previous post with the link.
That only applies to cars on motorcycles. The brand is permanent and never to be registered as a road legal vehicle again
Motorcycles with a brand that isn’t equivalent to “None” will have their brand downgraded to “Irreparable.”

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Out-of-province vehicles​

Vehicles from another Canadian or U.S. jurisdiction that are registered in Ontario will have their vehicle brand carried over, except for the “Rebuilt” brand, which will be downgraded to “Salvage.” Before these vehicles can be driven in Ontario, they require a structural inspection from a registered DriveON VIC to be registered as “Rebuilt.” Once the inspection is complete, you can take your documentation to a ServiceOntario location to register your vehicle.

Motorcycles with a brand that isn’t equivalent to “None” will have their brand downgraded to “Irreparable.”


The way I’m reading this, they will downgrade a brand from rebuilt to salvage. However, if you get a structural inspection from a registered DriveON VIC to be registered as rebuilt. You can take that inspection with the out of province title and change the ownership to maintain a rebuilt title. I would definitely ask a DriveON center to confirm, since it’s not clearly laid out this way but, the above is cut and paste from my previous post with the link. 🤷‍♂️
I think that applies to cages and not motorcycles. My understanding is there is no structural inspection form for motorcycles so they can't come back after a brand.

"Motorcycle branding
In Ontario, the only brands that can be assigned to a motorcycle are “None” and “Irreparable”.

Where there is damage to the frame that requires replacement, the motorcycle is branded as “Irreparable”.

All imported motorcycles previously branded as “Irreparable”, “Salvage”, “Rebuilt” or an equivalent brand in another jurisdiction are branded “Irreparable” when registered in Ontario.

A Structural Inspection Certificate cannot be issued for a motorcycle. This means that the motorcycle will never be eligible to be driven on Ontario roads and can only be used for parts. A vehicle permit is still issued.

Ontario’s mandatory motorcycle branding laws came into effect on July 16, 2007. Some motorcycles that were imported and registered before July 16, 2007, may not have been branded and should be left non-branded."
 
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I think that applies to cages and not motorcycles. My understanding is there is no structural inspection form for motorcycles so they can't come back after a brand.

"Motorcycle branding
In Ontario, the only brands that can be assigned to a motorcycle are “None” and “Irreparable”.

Where there is damage to the frame that requires replacement, the motorcycle is branded as “Irreparable”.

All imported motorcycles previously branded as “Irreparable”, “Salvage”, “Rebuilt” or an equivalent brand in another jurisdiction are branded “Irreparable” when registered in Ontario.

A Structural Inspection Certificate cannot be issued for a motorcycle. This means that the motorcycle will never be eligible to be driven on Ontario roads and can only be used for parts. A vehicle permit is still issued.

Ontario’s mandatory motorcycle branding laws came into effect on July 16, 2007. Some motorcycles that were imported and registered before July 16, 2007, may not have been branded and should be left non-branded."
Missed that. Thanks for the correction!
 
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