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QC antivaxxer response to the government introduced vaccination requirements to buy liquor and weed.

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Mad Mike said:
You miss the point. When 10% of the population suddenly overwhelms the health care system, we have a problem.

If all the motorcyclists in Ontario decided to crash in the same month, your argument might have some relevance.
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It doesn't take that much to crash a system. Fill an egg carton a few eggs at a time, closing the lid each time. All goes well until you put in the 13th egg, 8% overfill and you end up with smashed eggs.

Traffic jams for no reason other than overcapacity. It happens fairly suddenly. Each lane has a capacity limit that doesn't vary much with speed. At some point it jams up.

For reasons of economics everything is designed for an average load. When the number go out of whack we adjust. Prudent people try not to make the numbers go out of whack.

Arsonists get a kick out of setting multiple fires to see over-extended fire fighters struggle. Of course they don't set fire to their own houses.
 
jc100 said:
cancer-not infectious
stroke-not infectious
heart disease - not infectious
riding a motorcycle - not infectious (although admittedly it is but not in that way)

None of these can be passed on to a stranger from one to another.

To treat an infectious viral disease you need herd immunity (with elevated antibodies from a vaccine), not getting that puts the entire population at risk and can negate any steps forward we may make. Not getting vaccinated may be a personal choice but it’s also one that says “I don’t care about the rest of the people around me” and since taxes are supposed to go towards benefitting a society then those that don’t seem to give a crap about society can pay in other ways.

Tax them in one way or another and maybe they will start to educate themselves. This is the most stupid of stupid hills to die on.
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So because they're not infectious they don't use hospital resources?

You definitely NO NOT NEED vaccines for herd immunity. Under 18 makes up 20% of Canada's population and is basically unaffected by covid. That's a free 20% bump to get herd immunity. Instead they close schools and activities for kids.

Regarding the people 'that do it for others and society' stop the BS and lies. YOU do this for yourself because YOU don't want to get sick and if YOU get sick you want the hospital to be able to treat YOU. I can say this with basically complete certainty simply by looking at other related numbers. Less than 60% of people have signed organ donor cards (which costs these people absolutely norhing) and less than 10% of people donate blood. Why? You want to tax unvaccinated fine, but if you haven't signed your organ donor card and you need an organ F you and die. You've never donated blood (but are an eligible donor) and end up needing blood products to survive, F you and die. Is that the type of SOCIETY you want to be part of? How about the fact that the number one cause of death for kids globally is a lack of clean water. How many of the morally vaccinated have done anything to help curb this? Calling the unvaccinated selfish is wildly hypocritical as EVERYONE only does anything for themselves.

The hospitals being cosistantly run at over 110% capacity BEFORE covid hit can not be cured by 10% of the population not being vaccinated now. Not to mention, herd immunity was supposed to be achieved at 72% iirc. We're at 90% and that's not enough?

Here's a number for all...60%. That's how much our national DEBT (not budget, but debt) has increased since covid started. We went from $700B to $1.1T. People lining up and waiting to have this injected in their kids because they want 'what's best for their kids'. Aside from the fact that the side effects of the vaccine are worse than the disease for kids, the unsurmountable debt that will fall in their laps is definitely NOT in their best interest. At this rate the country won't be able to afford ANY healthcare in a few years time.

Here's another number...3%. That's the number of people that are overweight due to genetics meanwhile 61% are overweight/obese. Do not try and tell me that 58% of the population has an eating disorder. And even if by some miracle that was the case, do you not think it would be financially wiser to treat an eating disorder than all the diseases associated with obesity?

The only aspect that this vaccine excels at is selling more vaccines. (FOLLOWING NUMBERS USED FOR EXAMPLE ONLY!!!) If it never existed the original virus would blow though society and take 5% of the population with it then vanish in a year. Having the vaccine prevents it from taking 5%, but allows 2% each year and gives it time to mutate and take 2% every year thereafter so more vaccines are wanted. The net result is that more people die because of the vaccine. And the most siniater aspect of all of this is that the vaccine protects the people that won't be around to pay for it's financial ramifications in a few years time anyway leaving that mess for those for whom the vaccine has no benefit at all.
 
Renboy said:
So because they're not infectious they don't use hospital resources?

You definitely NO NOT NEED vaccines for herd immunity. Under 18 makes up 20% of Canada's population and is basically unaffected by covid. That's a free 20% bump to get herd immunity. Instead they close schools and activities for kids.

Regarding the people 'that do it for others and society' stop the BS and lies. YOU do this for yourself because YOU don't want to get sick and if YOU get sick you want the hospital to be able to treat YOU. I can say this with basically complete certainty simply by looking at other related numbers. Less than 60% of people have signed organ donor cards (which costs these people absolutely norhing) and less than 10% of people donate blood. Why? You want to tax unvaccinated fine, but if you haven't signed your organ donor card and you need an organ F you and die. You've never donated blood (but are an eligible donor) and end up needing blood products to survive, F you and die. Is that the type of SOCIETY you want to be part of? How about the fact that the number one cause of death for kids globally is a lack of clean water. How many of the morally vaccinated have done anything to help curb this? Calling the unvaccinated selfish is wildly hypocritical as EVERYONE only does anything for themselves.

The hospitals being cosistantly run at over 110% capacity BEFORE covid hit can not be cured by 10% of the population not being vaccinated now. Not to mention, herd immunity was supposed to be achieved at 72% iirc. We're at 90% and that's not enough?

Here's a number for all...60%. That's how much our national DEBT (not budget, but debt) has increased since covid started. We went from $700B to $1.1T. People lining up and waiting to have this injected in their kids because they want 'what's best for their kids'. Aside from the fact that the side effects of the vaccine are worse than the disease for kids, the unsurmountable debt that will fall in their laps is definitely NOT in their best interest. At this rate the country won't be able to afford ANY healthcare in a few years time.

Here's another number...3%. That's the number of people that are overweight due to genetics meanwhile 61% are overweight/obese. Do not try and tell me that 58% of the population has an eating disorder. And even if by some miracle that was the case, do you not think it would be financially wiser to treat an eating disorder than all the diseases associated with obesity?

The only aspect that this vaccine excels at is selling more vaccines. (FOLLOWING NUMBERS USED FOR EXAMPLE ONLY!!!) If it never existed the original virus would blow though society and take 5% of the population with it then vanish in a year. Having the vaccine prevents it from taking 5%, but allows 2% each year and gives it time to mutate and take 2% every year thereafter so more vaccines are wanted. The net result is that more people die because of the vaccine. And the most siniater aspect of all of this is that the vaccine protects the people that won't be around to pay for it's financial ramifications in a few years time anyway leaving that mess for those for whom the vaccine has no benefit at all.
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Very very wrong

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Renboy said:
And the most siniater aspect of all of this is that the vaccine protects the people that won't be around to pay for it's financial ramifications in a few years time anyway leaving that mess for those for whom the vaccine has no benefit at all.
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Lemme guess. You're under 30.


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Renboy said:
So because they're not infectious they don't use hospital resources?

You definitely NO NOT NEED vaccines for herd immunity. Under 18 makes up 20% of Canada's population and is basically unaffected by covid. That's a free 20% bump to get herd immunity. Instead they close schools and activities for kids.

Regarding the people 'that do it for others and society' stop the BS and lies. YOU do this for yourself because YOU don't want to get sick and if YOU get sick you want the hospital to be able to treat YOU. I can say this with basically complete certainty simply by looking at other related numbers. Less than 60% of people have signed organ donor cards (which costs these people absolutely norhing) and less than 10% of people donate blood. Why? You want to tax unvaccinated fine, but if you haven't signed your organ donor card and you need an organ F you and die. You've never donated blood (but are an eligible donor) and end up needing blood products to survive, F you and die. Is that the type of SOCIETY you want to be part of? How about the fact that the number one cause of death for kids globally is a lack of clean water. How many of the morally vaccinated have done anything to help curb this? Calling the unvaccinated selfish is wildly hypocritical as EVERYONE only does anything for themselves.

The hospitals being cosistantly run at over 110% capacity BEFORE covid hit can not be cured by 10% of the population not being vaccinated now. Not to mention, herd immunity was supposed to be achieved at 72% iirc. We're at 90% and that's not enough?

Here's a number for all...60%. That's how much our national DEBT (not budget, but debt) has increased since covid started. We went from $700B to $1.1T. People lining up and waiting to have this injected in their kids because they want 'what's best for their kids'. Aside from the fact that the side effects of the vaccine are worse than the disease for kids, the unsurmountable debt that will fall in their laps is definitely NOT in their best interest. At this rate the country won't be able to afford ANY healthcare in a few years time.

Here's another number...3%. That's the number of people that are overweight due to genetics meanwhile 61% are overweight/obese. Do not try and tell me that 58% of the population has an eating disorder. And even if by some miracle that was the case, do you not think it would be financially wiser to treat an eating disorder than all the diseases associated with obesity?

The only aspect that this vaccine excels at is selling more vaccines. (FOLLOWING NUMBERS USED FOR EXAMPLE ONLY!!!) If it never existed the original virus would blow though society and take 5% of the population with it then vanish in a year. Having the vaccine prevents it from taking 5%, but allows 2% each year and gives it time to mutate and take 2% every year thereafter so more vaccines are wanted. The net result is that more people die because of the vaccine. And the most siniater aspect of all of this is that the vaccine protects the people that won't be around to pay for it's financial ramifications in a few years time anyway leaving that mess for those for whom the vaccine has no benefit at all.
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Regarding your "unaffected by covid".

Two Ontario children under 10 died with COVID-19 in past two weeks

Two children in Ontario, one under the age of four and another under the age of 10, have died after testing positive for COVID-19 in the past two weeks, health officials say.
beta.ctvnews.ca beta.ctvnews.ca
 
Wingboy said:
Missed your post. His "children unaffected" triggered me.
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The deniers all seem to spout the same thing. There’s a few problems though…

1. They aren’t unaffected
2. They can still infect others
3. There’s new data coming out all the time about neurological effects after COVID infection. I’ve seen some reports about upcoming publications about this that should concern people.
 
jc100 said:
The deniers all seem to spout the same thing. There’s a few problems though…

1. They aren’t unaffected
2. They can still infect others
3. There’s new data coming out all the time about neurological effects after COVID infection. I’ve seen some reports about upcoming publications about this that should concern people.
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Wasn't there a soccer star who just developed a heart issue after covid?

www.dailymail.co.uk

Bayern defender Alphonso Davies has 'mild' myocarditis after COVID-19

Canadian soccer star and Bayern Munich left back Alphonso Davies has been sidelined with signs of heart inflammation, known as myocarditis, after being infected with COVID-19.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Yes it's uncommon, but my point is the 'rah rah rah' about being obese or not is inevitably trumped by genetics. On a side note I have 3 gym rat friends who all got covid in the last 3 weeks, all unvaccinated and all didn't leave their beds for 4-5 days. I'm thankful that's all that happened, so far.
 
please watch the whole thing...this is based on the UK, however we've been tending to follow them and their trends...so yes, I do think we can get back to pre-pandemic normal...

 
Any idea where the proposed tax fee is going to up going to? I wonder if it actually goes back into public health, or gets ****** away like the rest of the money.

One thing to come out of this pandemic is our hospital financial layout is broken.
 
Evoex said:
Wasn't there a soccer star who just developed a heart issue after covid?

www.dailymail.co.uk

Bayern defender Alphonso Davies has 'mild' myocarditis after COVID-19

Canadian soccer star and Bayern Munich left back Alphonso Davies has been sidelined with signs of heart inflammation, known as myocarditis, after being infected with COVID-19.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Yes it's uncommon, but my point is the 'rah rah rah' about being obese or not is inevitably trumped by genetics. On a side note I have 3 gym rat friends who all got covid in the last 3 weeks, all unvaccinated and all didn't leave their beds for 4-5 days. I'm thankful that's all that happened, so far.
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So he got his 3rd shot in December, still got covid and now the media is saying his miocarditis is from covid and not the actual vaccine that has been proven to cause the condition and has been banned for use in certain age groups in countries around the world because of this exact side effect... wow.
 
DownUnder said:
So he got his 3rd shot in December, still got covid and now the media is saying his miocarditis is from covid and not the actual vaccine that has been proven to cause the condition and has been banned for use in certain age groups in countries around the world because of this exact side effect... wow.
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WHAT IS MYOCARDITIS?​

Myocarditis is an uncommon disorder. Most of the time, it is caused by an infection that reaches the heart

Myocarditis is an uncommon disorder. Most of the time, it is caused by an infection that reaches the heart
Myocarditis is heart inflammation caused by a viral infection, such as COVID-19.

So he got his 3rd shot in December, still got covid
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You say this like we should be surprised? We are not, why are you?
 
jc100 said:
Still pretty much the same chance of getting myocarditis naturally than with a vaccine. It’s elevated with infection with COVID 19, but don’t let that stop the hysteria.
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Yea, nah. Countries wouldn't have banned the use of Moderna in young people if the risk was the same as getting heart inflammation naturally...

Fact Check-Some European countries halted Moderna COVID-19 vaccines for young people

the article is a fact check as people online went crazy and started saying the vaccine was banned completely. It was only banned for younger people because the risk was significantly higher then "normal".
 
DownUnder said:
Yea, nah. Countries wouldn't have banned the use of Moderna in young people if the risk was the same as getting heart inflammation naturally...

Fact Check-Some European countries halted Moderna COVID-19 vaccines for young people

the article is a fact check as people online went crazy and started saying the vaccine was banned completely. It was only banned for younger people because the risk was significantly higher then "normal".
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So here’s some fun math for you…..how many doses of vaccines have been given around the world? How many ICU’s have been clogged with myocarditis cases due to vaccination? Go on…do it. It’ll be fun.

It’s not an epidemic. The risk is vanishingly small.
 
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