LoneRonin
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you really wanna sell drugs?? and I don't mean some small time peddling...
Ok now BC is just getting crazy
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you really wanna sell drugs?? and I don't mean some small time peddling...
The one writing the ticket is a witness if he saw the offence himself. Otherwise he's just the one who wrote the ticket. He doesn't actually have to see an offence to write a ticket or lay charges. He can do so strictly on the basis of witness statements if he wishes.
If the cop who issued the ticket did not personally see you driving recklessly, then those witnesses did see the offence (whether they be civilians or other cops) would have to come in to court to testify as to what they saw. The ticket writing cop would testify as to the chain of evenets that led him to stop the specific vehicle and issue the ticket, as well as identify the driver and vehicle that was ticketed at that time. The witnesses would testify as to what they saw that prompted them to call police. There is no hearsay involved in any of this.
I don't deny that, but if I am using your car, get busted for racing, and your car gets confiscated, how does this hurt me? Fining me $5000 would hurt me a lot more than taking your $5000 car. I suppose you could probably try to sue me for the $5000, but then you bog the system. However you look at it, taking the vehicle does not hurt as much as a fine.
Your recourse is to sue the driver who cost you your car. That driver faces the risk of not only law suit from you, but also the ticket for the driving offence itself.
The risk of ticket, fine and suspension provides some measure of general deterrence against those who woukld rive stupid, and the risk of impound and outright forfeiture provides a measure of general deterrence to help encourage vehicle owners to more carefully choose who they lend their wheels to, being it friend, neighbour, or child of the vehicle owner.
redridernl
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Sharing is caring, no?
My beef is that they laid some relatively slim charges on very slim evidence. In any case, complete forfeiture is almost (or completely) unheard of, for a charge as minor as careless. I'm not saying that I'd want it on my driving record, but we are less likely to seize property from a murderer. The province is just huffin' and puffin' because this is a high profile case that got botched due to lack of evidence, so now they wanna appear like they are doing something to protect the public. I wonder if they could sue the province for the value of the forfeited vehicles if found not guilty 
If you have the money for a car like that then a 'fine' isnt going to mean anything. They are trying to do something to these kids that teaches them a lesson... I dont feel sorry for them one bit.
And I bet a lot of people here would have a different opinion if they were on their bike while these cars zoomed past...
And I bet a lot of people here would have a different opinion if they were on their bike while these cars zoomed past...
OpenGambit
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Its not about feeling sorry for them, its about the cops trying to do an end run on the criminal process.
Trying to take away anyone's car for a 200 dollar ticket is massively overreaching even if you think this one time it would be ok.
These things set precedents that don't just disappear.
Agreed... but how do you suggest punishing people who its clear money is not totally a concern?
Certainly not by using extralegal means (and yes, they are extralegal as they are outside of the law or usual practices).. You can't change the laws on the fly just to satisfy your need to punish an individual suspect.
And I can appreciate that... but I am asking for some reasonable means to punish them. Lets stop debating whether its right or not. I agree with you guys totally, but then I see where they stand too. So that leaves the question that they are faced with...
"How do you punch people for unsafe driving with the evidence at hand and that does not involve money which in theory is no object to the purpetraitors?"
Public humiliation - once they're convicted of course.
Ok so what sort? One could argue that all the media attention is humiliation enough. I personally disagree with that.
Do we force them to take driving classes? Public service?
I've heard of cases where people convicted of crimes were taken to see autopsies to help show them A: the cause of their actions B: that we are not immortal. Perhaps that would be a wake up call? But then could be considered cruel also.
You punch them of course
Ok so I'll add it to my schedule to re-ask you in a year once your convicted of assult and battery
What media attention? I don't think anybody even knows who they are yet!
But more media scrutiny would help embarrass them. They could be forced by the judge to do a national TV interview with setup questions like "So Mr. Yong, tell us how hard life is as the spoiled kid of a multi-millionaire, that you have to recklessly drive around public streets terrorizing everyone just to ease some of that stressful burden in your life?"
That would be the kind of faux-sympathy question you'd start off with just to butter them up, then you gradually lead into the hard hitting questions like "What do your daddys do?" and "Why are your friends exclusively Asian?" (through a translator if needed) and "What makes you so special?"
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Seizing the motorcycle or car will hopefully deter the morons who race and put other peoples life in danger because they think the road is their own racetrack. I support this law if you want to race go to a race track. I am sure you would not appreciate one of your love ones being injured or killed by an idiot who was racing on the street. This has nothing to do with politicians and promises but rather making people think twice about racing on streets and putting other peoples life in danger.
By the way this is why our motorcycle insurance premiums are so high because of the bad image caused by a few bad apples
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Sure, these guys may have been racing and should possibly lose their cars but if they didn't have enough evidence to charge them with racing, then the cops can't say they're taking the kids' cars because they were racing.
My problem with the laws is the fact that they'll screw you without a conviction.
As far as premiums being high, I pay as much for my bike as I do for my car (maybe a little more) while the bike goes faster, is much more dangerous, and has increased likely hood of someone injuring themselves or others... seems kinda fair in comparison (although I think insurance for any vehicle is too high).
Agree with your points but your comments make is sound that the police are all crooked and will take away bikes without justification which I have seen happen once in California but the rider got his bike back after the court. This law was proposed to protect the public safety not to harass bikers. It has gotten to the point where some states and now BC need stronger measures. As an example for DUI is as dangerous as racing on the street, NYC has implemented a law that allows the police to confiscate your vehicle is caught over a certain limit of toxins in your system same principle being applied.
As for premium I pay as much as I do on my car the insurance which I would agree is too high and the law should be written for the COPS to provide evidence of racing is radar speed limit or video.
Take a way their license as remember it is not a right to own a driver license but a privilege.
