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Not The Only Crap

Take off your tin-foil hat. Everything is a conspiracy, right?
Humans cant keep secrets. Even if the tech existed back in 1969 to fake the moon landings, it would have required hundreds, maybe thousands of people to make happen. The moon landing conspiracy is a bunch of nonsense.
Why do you think none of Americas enemies, namely the USSR and China, have never came out and shown that mans greatest achievement was all a lie and filmed in a studio?

How long did the tobacco companies hide that they were doctoring tobacco to make it more addictive? How many scientists were in on it? I'm not saying the moon landings were faked but don't underestimate con artists. BTW, saw Elvis yesterday and he's OK, lost some weight.
 

Pre internet there was a Christian thing about Procter and Gamble having Satanic symbols on their packaging and Christians shouldn't use their products. It would have bee fun to go into the house of one of those wackos and ask to see their copy of the yellow pages. The biggest advertiser was pizza joints and second was escort services. I wonder if they'd cancel their phone service.

 
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Pre internet there was a Christian thing about Procter and Gamble having Satanic symbols on their packaging and Christians shouldn't use their products. It would have bee fun to go into the house of one of those wackos and ask to see their copy of the yellow pages. The biggest advertiser was pizza joints and second was escort services. I wonder if they'd cancel their phone service.


I'm glad that nonsense has faded away.

 
What some people will believe just blows....my.....mind.

I suppose there's a few here that the Titanic never sank, either. That's a favourite one of the nutters who are just looking at everything on the face of the planet as one big conspiracy or cover up.
 
Ever since I heard the truth about Santa Claus, I have been a skeptic.

... and then I found out you can't even trust "TRUTH" or "FACTS"
Facts and truth change.
There was a time it was a FACT the earth was flat.
There was a time the TRUTH was it was OK to own people.
There was a time Charles Randal Smith was a trusted pathologist and doctor.
 
There was a time it was a FACT the earth was flat.
You’re mixing up beliefs with facts.
The earth was never flat. Just because people believed it was at some point before science proved otherwise doesn’t mean it actually was.
Therefore calling it a “Fact” is wholly incorrect.
 
That the earth was flat may have been thought of as a fact, until better knowledge came along.

The body of scientific knowledge has increased over time, technology has improved over time. And that has allowed inaccurate beliefs of the past to be replaced with more accurate knowledge.

That has been achieved through consistent and proper use of critical thinking and the scientific method ... not by facebook post counts or re-posting youtube videos!
 
the current science of the day is considered fact, until better science of the day comes along.

we are quite fortunate that a separation of church and science occured , when the earth was flat, most science was produced by monestaries and the 'learned' . And opposing ideas could result in a fairly painful trial and death. That helps repress science.
 
And as people age, their ability to remain objective is reduced significantly.

The guy formerly known as Mladin.
ya think? Maybe as the age the get wiser — seen more, done more, learned more.

Understanding and recognizing sophistry come with time and age. A wise man would not confuse that with lack of objectivity.
 
And that's where the ability to cite references comes into play.

And not all references are equal. A good one is in accordance with the principles of the scientific method, identifies its sources, sub-references other sources that they made use of, and employs facts in place of opinions where possible and clearly identifies when something is a matter of opinion, and is such that whatever it is that they are saying can be independently verified.

One of the recent articles about the now-infamous drug hydrochloroquine (published in The Lancet) had to be retracted because they ran into a problem with the data that they used - evidently some sort of confidentiality issue, which prevented the data from being properly publicly released, which made it unable to be independently verified. Result ... the article had to be retracted. This is the scientific method at work.

Even if one doesn't know the subject matter at hand, it is still possible to establish whether a given article / youtube video / facebook post / etc follows proper methodology: Does it identify its sources, does it provide references for anything which is not common public knowledge, does it state whether something is an opinion or a fact, etc.
not always. Science and scientists are not perfect, the business of science has plenty of flaws that prevent wholesale acceptance of research. Manipulated data, inability to reproduce results, and pressures to produce papers all leave some room for doubt. There are also pressures to suppress, no scientist really wants their work retracted.

Its near impossible for a layman to qualify scientific works because science itself leave room for doubt.
 
not always. Science and scientists are not perfect, the business of science has plenty of flaws that prevent wholesale acceptance of research. Manipulated data, inability to reproduce results, and pressures to produce papers all leave some room for doubt. There are also pressures to suppress, no scientist really wants their work retracted.

Its near impossible for a layman to qualify scientific works because science itself leave room for doubt.
I don't think anybody is arguing science is perfect. I do put more faith in theories in a study that took people years to produce (and hopefully has had some level of peer scrutiny) than a youtube video full of theories that took minutes to create.
 
Also some times they name them funny

Its still called the theory of gravitation even though its not a theory, and yet I dont see idiots jumping off the roofs to test it
 
I don't think anybody is arguing science is perfect. I do put more faith in theories in a study that took people years to produce (and hopefully has had some level of peer scrutiny) than a youtube video full of theories that took minutes to create.
True. But science itself does have some well known challenges with fact.

Here's a good read: How Science Is Learning to Admit Mistakes
 
Much of what we accept now was considered batshit crazy when it was introduced. I'm not saying the crazies are correct, but it is worth exploring whether there is a kernel of truth in there. Blindly following the youtube videos is the worst approach you can take.
 

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